Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

FO has them at 22nd, about 4% below average

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Be skeptical of anything that has them ranked bottom five, as that stat probably isn't adjusting for opponent.

You watch the Minnesota game? You watch the KC game? Hell, even the Chicago game we won?

Folks, 3-13 tied for worst record in the history of the Skins, heads roll

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You watch the Minnesota game? You watch the KC game? Hell, even the Chicago game we won?

Folks, 3-13 tied for worst record in the history of the Skins, heads roll

I did not watch the KC game. Knew at that point that nothing would be changing under Mike Shanahan.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I did not watch the KC game. Knew at that point that nothing would be changing under Mike Shanahan.

Packers and first Eagles game? just wow on those performances...I can keep going...Defense came out and played terrible at least 8 games of the season. I mean they played like the worse defense in the league half the games of the season

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Packers and first Eagles game? just wow on those performances...I can keep going...Defense came out and played terrible at least 8 games of the season. I mean they played like the worse defense in the league half the games of the season

I mean, that's not true, but okay.

The thing with the first Eagles game is that we were getting our ass kicked at half, and then the D turned it around and kept us in it (a microcosm of the season, really). Also scored the first TD of the season.

I'm not defending the defense against anything but hyperbole. 22nd, or 25th or 27th or wherever it actually finished, is not very good. And some of the passing chunks they gave up were preventable with better communication, or the coaches at least acknowledging that this team has sucked in zone coverage for four years. Which is frustrating. But it doesn't get infuriating until you include the special teams. And a lot of people DO hang the ST performance on the defense. That's fine. I'm just pointing that out.

[skinsfan69]

Bottom line is we don't have one elite player on defense. Aldon Smith walks right out of some rehab joint and abuses Trent Williams. We don't have that player.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Bottom line is we don't have one elite player on defense. Aldon Smith walks right out of some rehab joint and abuses Trent Williams. We don't have that player.

Your gonna be really pissed if Orakpo leaves

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Your gonna be really pissed if Orakpo leaves

I'd hate to see him go. However, he should not be paid elite money because he's not an elite player. He's one of the best players on a bad defense.

Someone mentioned this a while back, how many sacks does Rak have against NFC East opponents? Barely any...

[Chico23231]

London comments yesterday sealed it for me, noway I want Haz DC. Move up Morris or hire someone other than Spags. For the record Haz>Spags all day long.

[FRPLG]

I don't think anyone has made an argument that Haz is GOOD. Perhpas he isn't nearly as bad as some would like to believe though. I still hope we move on.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't think anyone has made an argument that Haz is GOOD. Perhpas he isn't nearly as bad as some would like to believe though. I still hope we move on.

After four years, I think Haz is league average.

He sometimes outschemes the opponent. Sometimes his schemes get busted. Oftentimes the defense looks really prepared. Other times they look like they don't know how an opponent is going to try to beat them. He frustrates a lot of quarterbacks. He also frustrates me.

He's not as good as Gregg Williams, but he's better than Greg Blache.

[GTripp0012]

I'm surprised the NFL does official offensive/defensive rankings. I mean, that's kind of an abuse of the word official, right?

Better stats were available as early as 2004, and by 2008, those stats were commonly used.

Yards allowed/points allowed always tells you something, sometimes, it can tell you something important. If you're facing the top ranked offense in yards gained, it's helpful to know if your defense is giving up a ton of yards that this is normal. But I don't think there's any difference between an official stat and an unofficial one. You have to use the one that best answers the question you are asking.

[Monkeydad]

Haslett seems to run a boom or bust kind of D. His guys will either get to the QB or cause a turnover...or give up a big play.

There were times, even late this season where the D made some great goal line stands and we do get plenty of TOs and sacks.

Part of me wants him to get out of town because his defenses could not stop ANYONE, and part of me wants to see what his schemes and blitzes can do with a roster that's up to par with the rest of the league cost-wise, which we'll see in 2014.

If we do keep him, it has to be his last chance.

Personally, I'd promote Raheem unless we can snag someone like Wade Phillips, Gregg Williams or one of Buddy Ryan's sons. I'd rather not have to look at Rob Ryan on our sideline though.

[KI Skins Fan]

I HATE revisionist history! Haslett sucks and you all know it!

How many more times are you willing to endure Haslett letting Dallas off the hook on a key FOURTH down play by calling some stupid defense that causes us to lose the game? He's done that more than once, you know.

Trust your own eyes and remember the misery that he has put us through.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I HATE revisionist history! Haslett sucks and you all know it!

How many more times are you willing to endure Haslett letting Dallas off the hook on a key FOURTH down play by calling some stupid defense that causes us to lose the game? He's done that more than once, you know.

Trust your own eyes and remember the misery that he has put us through.

Couldn't agree more, they should go after Horton.

[irish]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I HATE revisionist history! Haslett sucks and you all know it!

How many more times are you willing to endure Haslett letting Dallas off the hook on a key FOURTH down play by calling some stupid defense that causes us to lose the game? He's done that more than once, you know.

Trust your own eyes and remember the misery that he has put us through.

Amen Brother! All this "he didnt do such a bad job" talk is a joke. He was terrible. Haslett should have been gone before Shanny.