The everything Gruden thread

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We weren't that good before Snyder took over either.

We were on the right path, with a big OL, good QB and RB, I'm no Westbrook fan, nor Stubblefield and Wilkinson, but making the playoffs in 1999 was basically with Casserly and Norv's team. Snyder and Cerrato didn't start the big FA spending spree till after that season..

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

We were on the right path, with a big OL, good QB and RB, I'm no Westbrook fan, nor Stubblefield and Wilkinson, but making the playoffs in 1999 was basically with Casserly and Norv's team. Snyder and Cerrato didn't start the big FA spending spree till after that season..

92-98 were some lean years. My point was regarding the "Snyder curse", Snyder may have come along and messed shit up, but we were already far removed from the glory days.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

92-98 were some lean years. My point was regarding the "Snyder curse", Snyder may have come along and messed shit up, but we were already far removed from the glory days.

True the wheels were coming off, but Snyder got in the drivers seat and drove it off a cliff. Than walked down to the burning vehicle and poured gasoline on it. Than he picked up what was left and tied it in a bag with heavy chains and sunk it in the middle of the ocean.
Atleast we were not a laughing stock.


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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

True the wheels were coming off, but Snyder got in the drivers seat and drove it off a cliff. Than walked down to the burning vehicle and poured gasoline on it. Than he picked up what was left and tied it in a bag with heavy chains and sunk it in the middle of the ocean.

That sounds like the script of a Bang! cartoon.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

We were on the right path, with a big OL, good QB and RB, I'm no Westbrook fan, nor Stubblefield and Wilkinson, but making the playoffs in 1999 was basically with Casserly and Norv's team. Snyder and Cerrato didn't start the big FA spending spree till after that season..

Exactly. It really looked like Casserly finally had the team ready to turn the corner in 99. Snyder had nothing to do with that playoff team but somehow gets credit as one of his few playoff years. LOL. We all saw what happened once he really took control in 2000.

[skinsfaninok]

Agree but was way better than this shit. Idk what it will take to make us a good team again it sucks. Someone posted yesterday how we were like 70 games over 500 20 years ago and now we r like 11? Holy shit that's sad

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Agree but was way better than this shit. Idk what it will take to make us a good team again it sucks. Someone posted yesterday how we were like 70 games over 500 20 years ago and now we r like 11? Holy shit that's sad

Way better? Do you remember the mid 90s at all? We've been a consistent loser since Gibbs 1.0.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Way better? Do you remember the mid 90s at all? We've been a consistent loser since Gibbs 1.0.

Have people already forgotten the glorious Steve Spurrier/Shane Matthews era?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Have people already forgotten the glorious Steve Spurrier/Shane Matthews era?

Osaka Bowl winners!

[MTK]

If you're not winning games might as well take pride in "winning" a trade I guess. Though I'm not sure how a trade can be won if it's not resulting in wins on the field.

Sounds like it's a beef between Allen and Fisher to be specific.

[Lotus]

Well, fine. Let Allen learn from his humiliation not to allow such trades to happen.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Well, fine. Let Allen learn from his humiliation not to allow such trades to happen.

Agree. The Rams can't troll us if Allen/Snyder, whoever doesn't make such a stupid trade.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Agree. The Rams can't troll us if Allen/Snyder, whoever doesn't make such a stupid trade.

The Rams can troll us when they make multiple playoff runs and win at least one title. If they continue to be an average team (which they are), then basically nobody has "won" the trade.

[CRedskinsRule]

2 weeks ago, i would have been a 5 or a high 4 on this, but right now, with 3 division games left, and terrible losses to Tampa, and the Rams (I know they are good, but we shouldn't be THAT bad), and not seeing much from team leaders - I don't even know what players might be considered leaders at this point. I am at a sinking 3, I want to give him another year, but my biggest problem, is that it's not like we haven't known that RT and Safeties were an issue, and we didn't address them effectively. (I was on the Morgan Moses bandwagon, so at the time, I thought that was a solid pick, not sure where he fits now.)

[skinsguy]

I honestly don't know. I still think the team is no better off if they fire Gruden after one season, but I'm starting to feel they're no better off keeping him either. Which means the changes need to happen in the front office first.