What would it take?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Did you read the part where the deployment took place in December?

Interesting that it is published the day that a besieged NSA director rresigns.

Look. Trump wants to get Islam, doesn't like China, and his wife is Slovenian so has at least some ties to eastern bloc (cold war language) countries. Is it really that shocking he will be most likely to sync up with Russia. In the geopolitical realm if we want to make both China and Iran think twice about their dealings with us - having some level of cooperation with Russia would be helpful. Hillary wanted a reset at one point Bush made nice with them. This isn't some great capitulation.

Finally remember when TU bombers were flying along our coasts (in international airspace like the trawler was)

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I just looked through the whole article and can't find where it says the actual deployment took place in December? I see the part where it said it started testing in 2008, but nothing relevant besides that.

[CRedskinsRule]

And now for.something completely different --

Before video games no one ever said "Oh Crap. I died"

When you drop your phone upside down it turns into a Schroedinger phone

The internet is pretty much like ancient Egypt. People write on walls and worship cats.


Thanks to @justshowerthoughts for that intermission

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[CRedskinsRule]

From the article:

Administration officials said the Russians now have two battalions of the prohibited cruise missile. One is still located at Russia’s missile test site at Kapustin Yar in southern Russia near Volgograd. The other was shifted in December from that test site to an operational base elsewhere in the country, according to a senior official who did not provide further details and requested anonymity to discuss recent intelligence reports about the missile.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

From the article:

Administration officials said the Russians now have two battalions of the prohibited cruise missile. One is still located at Russia’s missile test site at Kapustin Yar in southern Russia near Volgograd. The other was shifted in December from that test site to an operational base elsewhere in the country, according to a senior official who did not provide further details and requested anonymity to discuss recent intelligence reports about the missile.

Fair enough, I am curious to know why the media waited to release the article. Certainly looks bad on their part trying to blame it on Trump.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Fair enough, I am curious to know why the media waited to release the article. Certainly looks bad on their part trying to blame it on Trump.

Well, what I gathered was that Pres Obama's administration didn't note it in any formal announcements (and I don't know that they should have, but in December there was other news to be focused on...), and someone in NSA felt like now was the time to release it - [tinfoil] probably the same someone who thought Flynn's conversations were media worthy [/tinfoil]

The media, imo, doesn't care whether they look bad, they want as much piled on as they can, and if it's wrong or misleading they can issue a clarification in small print later.

[Chico23231]

So so funny that Russia is now some sort of issue when for most of the Obama presidency, Putin outmaneuvered US interest and Obama personally all over the globe.

Where was the outrage over Crimea, Ukraine, hacking and leaking across the globe, giving Snowden sanctuary, major arms deals with Iran, military action in Syria against US back troops which turned the tide where Assad is winning that war, etc.

???? You were ok with that???

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So so funny that Russia is now some sort of issue when for most of the Obama presidency, Putin outmaneuvered US interest and Obama personally all over the globe.

Where was the outrage over Crimea, Ukraine, hacking and leaking across the globe, giving Snowden sanctuary, major arms deals with Iran, military action in Syria against US back troops which turned the tide where Assad is winning that war, etc.

???? You were ok with that???

Pretty sure there was "outrage" about everything you mentioned.I know I was how should I say it..".disagreed with "to be nice when all the Snowden crap was going on and certain poster's were happy it happen.Seems certain poster's are never happy.Obama was at fault for getting us into or keeping us in War and now he gets shit becuase he didn't stand up to Putin (with military force) even though Congress had tied his hands.How were we to know it wasn't "fake news"...any of it,you can't trust anyone.The WP the NYT,ABC,CBS,ABC,CNN.Wait wasn't it the WP that broke the Flynn info......sorry I digress.Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was outrage.




example.....

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...-released.html

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Pretty sure there was "outrage" about everything you mentioned.I know I was how should I say it..".disagreed with "to be nice when all the Snowden crap was going on and certain poster's were happy it happen.Seems certain poster's are never happy.Obama was at fault for getting us into or keeping us in War and now he gets shit becuase he didn't stand up to Putin (with military force) even though Congress had tied his hands.How were we to know it wasn't "fake news"...any of it,you can't trust anyone.The WP the NYT,ABC,CBS,ABC,CNN.Wait wasn't it the WP that broke the Flynn info......sorry I digress.Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was outrage.

There was limited coverage and very little outrage. Nobody held the administration responsible for any of ass kicking they received. Even when these were FACTUAL events.

Now, rumors and speculation our report by the media as FACT.

There's the difference.


Doesn't everyone know the FBI investigated and interviewed Flynn about the speaking with the Russians and found he didn't lie to them and didn't break any laws? We know this fact, right?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Pretty sure there was "outrage" about everything you mentioned.I know I was how should I say it..".disagreed with "to be nice when all the Snowden crap was going on and certain poster's were happy it happen.Seems certain poster's are never happy.Obama was at fault for getting us into or keeping us in War and now he gets shit becuase he didn't stand up to Putin (with military force) even though Congress had tied his hands.How were we to know it wasn't "fake news"...any of it,you can't trust anyone.The WP the NYT,ABC,CBS,ABC,CNN.Wait wasn't it the WP that broke the Flynn info......sorry I digress.Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was outrage.




example.....

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...-released.html

Nobody held the president and his state department responsible. Nobody..the media looked the other way, his brainwashed followers, etc. And still don't.

From now a historical perspective, which is still writing itself....Obama and his Presidency may go down as one of the worst Presidents when its comes to foreign policy. Certainly in the modern era

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Nobody held the president and his state department responsible. Nobody..the media looked the other way, his brainwashed followers, etc. And still don't.

From now a historical perspective, which is still writing itself....Obama and his Presidency may go down as one of the worst Presidents when its comes to foreign policy. Certainly in the modern era

And lets not forget about our sailors that were captured by the Iranians.
That was an epic fail for Obama.
I would have had the Straits of Hormuz locked down with Aegis cruisers pointing in all directions.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

And lets not forget about our sailors that were captured by the Iranians.
That was an epic fail for Obama.
I would have had the Straits of Hormuz locked down with Aegis cruisers pointing in all directions.

that was a terrible shit show...media still didn't go after the administration and the administration still gave Iran a sweetheart deal.



Could you fucking imagine if this happened with Trump in office? The media would crucify him...yet Obama, they simply looked the other way...why is that?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Nobody held the president and his state department responsible. Nobody..the media looked the other way, his brainwashed followers, etc. And still don't.

From now a historical perspective, which is still writing itself....Obama and his Presidency may go down as one of the worst Presidents when its comes to foreign policy. Certainly in the modern era

Sorry , I disagree ,one of the greatest ..."Hell NO" ,I understand that but sorry I disagree.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So so funny that Russia is now some sort of issue when for most of the Obama presidency, Putin outmaneuvered US interest and Obama personally all over the globe.

Where was the outrage over Crimea, Ukraine, hacking and leaking across the globe, giving Snowden sanctuary, major arms deals with Iran, military action in Syria against US back troops which turned the tide where Assad is winning that war, etc.

???? You were ok with that???

You don't have to go back to any of those. From the link that mooby posted. Maybe all titles nowadays should be done like the old Sherman and Peabody cartoons where they had two titles, but in this case one gives the pro-trump slant and one gives the anti-trump slant so it would be

Russia Deploys Missile, Violating Treaty and Challenging Trump or After Ignoring Treaty Ban, Russians Give Last Snub to Obama

makes for longer titles, but maybe lets readers see more views

The ground-launched cruise missile at the center of American concerns is one that the Obama administration said in 2014 had been tested in violation of a 1987 treaty that bans American and Russian intermediate-range missiles based on land.

The Obama administration had sought to persuade the Russians to correct the violation while the missile was still in the test phase. Instead, the Russians have moved ahead with the system, deploying a fully operational unit.

This wasn't about challenging Trump, it was about impotent action by Pres Obama's administration for the last 4 years. The line "had sought to persuade" literally has to make you laugh and cry at the same time. It's probably just poor writing, but you can't seek to persuade a bully, well you can but it's usually by giving him a bloody nose, not by reasoned discussion.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You don't have to go back to any of those. From the link that mooby posted. Maybe all titles nowadays should be done like the old Sherman and Peabody cartoons where they had two titles, but in this case one gives the pro-trump slant and one gives the anti-trump slant so it would be

Russia Deploys Missile, Violating Treaty and Challenging Trump or After Ignoring Treaty Ban, Russians Give Last Snub to Obama

makes for longer titles, but maybe lets readers see more views



This wasn't about challenging Trump, it was about impotent action by Pres Obama's administration for the last 4 years. The line "had sought to persuade" literally has to make you laugh and cry at the same time. It's probably just poor writing, but you can't seek to persuade a bully, well you can but it's usually by giving him a bloody nose, not by reasoned discussion.

Eight years ago I was trying to understand the outcry from the Bush people and being told it's Obama's fault.Now you got what you wanted Trump,I don't give a rats ass if Hillary was worse or Obama did this or that. Trump has had four weeks and he has fucked it up.We need to stop with Obama and Hillary and concentrate on the ass in the office now.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Eight years ago I was trying to understand the outcry from the Bush people and being told it's Obama's fault.Now you got what you wanted Trump,I don't give a rats ass if Hillary was worse or Obama did this or that. Trump has had four weeks and he has fucked it up.We need to stop with Obama and Hillary and concentrate on the ass in the office now.

hilarious. The whole article happened before Trump took office. Yes he needs to get a handle on it, but sorry geopolitical standoffs don't resolve the day the US puts a new president in. I will make this promise to the board - by the end of this year, you will not hear me say "Obama left {add subject here} in {add condition here} so it's not Trump's fault". Most likely I will turn to the Republican congress and blame them but after 9 months (randomly chosen time frame less then a year more than 6 months) Trump will certainly bear the burden of what is going on in the country and in the world.

and G1 for you to remain intellectually honest with your expressed statement, I guess that means that, in your eyes, all positive economic news from Jan 20th goes squarely on Trump's positive balance sheet?