Redskins vs Ravens Gameday thread

[SBXVII]

Also this is why there is a preseason. You can only practice for so long with your own teamates cause you get used to how they play, what their tendencies are, and how to stop them. Tonight gave the second and third string a chance to play, a chance to play against a different scheme, and a chance to look at film and see what they are doing wrong or what they need to fix. Now if preseason game 4 looks like this I'll cry.

[SBXVII]

Oh yes, Davis, Davis, Davis.......I'm not an NFL player but is it that difficult to remember or learn from your mistake and put two hands on the ball in traffic?

[wilsowilso]

i LIKE BUGS

[MTK]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

i LIKE BUGS

Really? I hate bugs, gross.

[Skinny Tee]

Just so it doesn't look like I'm all hater and no praiser, here are some brights & shights from Thursday's game:

Brights:
- Malcolm Kelly's aggressive catching
- Orakpo, solid while rushing
- Jarmon, gave good pressure though it seemed like he was gassed at points
- D. Hall, looks ready for the season
- 1st Team Defense, the strongest aspect of our team

Shights
- Tryon, need I say more?
- Reed Doughty, more of the same ineffectual play, gets stiff-punked by McGahee
- O-Line, gave our QB's no time and RB's no room, having no depth is frustrating on many levels
- Fred Davis's bad luck, one is his fault the other was pretty much a delayed drop
- Backup secondary couldn't get burned anymore than they did
- Theismann is too boring and nerdy, put him out to pasture.

Overall I was pretty frustrated with the game but there were some bright spots. Orakpo looks like an athlete who wants to excel and win. I like to see that. I hope we can stoke that competitive fire for the long run. It was nice to see Kelly's attitude too. He seems bitter and hungry now that he's coming into the season behind D. Thomas. Hope that translates to improvement on the field this year.

[irish]

The O line looked terrible. JC looks like he always does and so did the WRs. Orakpo did look good. Its only the first preseason game so its not panic time.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

The O line looked terrible. JC looks like he always does and so did the WRs. Orakpo did look good. Its only the first preseason game so its not panic time.

Really? I actually thought the O Line looked pretty decent

[irish]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really? I actually thought the O Line looked pretty decent

Ok. They didnt look like they could protect anything to me. The QB seemed under pressure too often.

[Daseal]

The fact that it was vanilla makes matters worse, in my opinion. Preseason is vanilla and everyone gets 1v1 match ups. Fact is, we lost a large majority of 1v1 match ups.

As I say every preseason. The score doesn't matter, but the individual play of our players matters. We need to see this team beat the man in front of them.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really? I actually thought the O Line looked pretty decent

I have the game recorded, and I went back and looked again. Not sure what game you guys were watching, but I felt like the Oline was pretty pathetic.

The 2nd drive for Campbell, 1st down had great pass-pro, and JC threw a strike to ARE for the 1st down. 1st and 2nd down runs, then the disaster of a line showed their true colors. It is 7vs4, they leave Cooley and Betts alone to handle a guy, and Rhinehart/Raback/Dockery are just "floating in open space doing nothing". When we have 7 guys blocking 4, Jason should have time to make a sandwich back there.....IMO pretty sad.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by roth74va

I have the game recorded, and I went back and looked again. Not sure what game you guys were watching, but I felt like the Oline was pretty pathetic.

The 2nd drive for Campbell, 1st down had great pass-pro, and JC threw a strike to ARE for the 1st down. 1st and 2nd down runs, then the disaster of a line showed their true colors. It is 7vs4, they leave Cooley and Betts alone to handle a guy, and Rhinehart/Raback/Dockery are just "floating in open space doing nothing". When we have 7 guys blocking 4, Jason should have time to make a sandwich back there.....IMO pretty sad.

I heard that...what I saw was no glaring standouts on the O-Line.

I don't think people are factoring the fact that we couldnt run as part of the O-Line's problem. It was 1.5 yards and a cloud of dust for Betts and then pass protection for short routes only.

That is by no means a good report card for the offensive line. We didn't even score points and if that's not bad enough for you then we barely got past the 50 yard line.

Saying "it's just a preseason game" goes both ways. We barely managed to get past midfield against another NFL team's preseason squad. Poor results if you ask me.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I heard that...what I saw was no glaring standouts on the O-Line.

I don't think people are factoring the fact that we couldnt run as part of the O-Line's problem. It was 1.5 yards and a cloud of dust for Betts and then pass protection for short routes only.

That is by no means a good report card for the offensive line. We didn't even score points and if that's not bad enough for you then we barely got past the 50 yard line.

Saying "it's just a preseason game" goes both ways. We barely managed to get past midfield against another NFL team's preseason squad. Poor results if you ask me.

Well no one did Tee but we appreciate your thoughts anyhow.

[CRedskinsRule]

I really thought the OLine looked good, well the first and seconds. Campbell was not touched, I don't think, except for a blown block by Betts. And Collins seemed to have time as well. Also, I would point out that the D we were playing was no slouch.
I think I said this before, we got a good break with our preseason schedule, because the offense is going to get tested by the best of the best defenses. Maybe they won't rise up, but if our O can be forged into something better than last year, these are the teams we should be playing.

We beat Indy in the opener last year, didn't mean much. I don't think this loss will mean much either.

And yes I am disappointed.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really thought the OLine looked good, well the first and seconds. Campbell was not touched, I don't think, except for a blown block by Betts. And Collins seemed to have time as well. Also, I would point out that the D we were playing was no slouch.
I think I said this before, we got a good break with our preseason schedule, because the offense is going to get tested by the best of the best defenses. Maybe they won't rise up, but if our O can be forged into something better than last year, these are the teams we should be playing.

We beat Indy in the opener last year, didn't mean much. I don't think this loss will mean much either.

And yes I am disappointed.

If you and I are thinking about the same play, then it was Cooley who missed his block, while Betts actually saved Campbell from getting blasted. That was also the same play which showed Rinehart, Rabach and Dockery with all of their arms spread out looking for someone to hit -- Rabach was getting dressed down on the sidelines by a coach immediately afterwards.

Good point about the defenses we'll be facing -- but I always cringe when I hear excuses being made for a poor performance because the opponent has a really good defense ... If we're aren't good enough to beat the best, then there's no point in playing. In every sport, the object is to be the champion. Not just be good against average teams.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

If you and I are thinking about the same play, then it was Cooley who missed his block, while Betts actually saved Campbell from getting blasted. That was also the same play which showed Rinehart, Rabach and Dockery with all of their arms spread out looking for someone to hit -- Rabach was getting dressed down on the sidelines by a coach immediately afterwards.

Good point about the defenses we'll be facing -- but I always cringe when I hear excuses being made for a poor performance because the opponent has a really good defense ... If we're aren't good enough to beat the best, then there's no point in playing. In every sport, the object is to be the champion. Not just be good against average teams.

I saw the play, and blamed Betts apparently incorrectly, but either way the point that the front 5 held there own against a top tier D. I am sure that was one of Zorn's concerns was to see how the oline was playing, before putting more 3 or 4 wr sets in.

I am not trying to make excuses, but it is true in any practice session you hone skills, with winning as the secondary task. If Zorn was using this game in an evaluation mode, putting players in tough spots and now he teaches from that, and they get better than great. If he went in with a gameplan to "win" and that was the best they can do, than we are in serious trouble.

Time will tell. I always thought Gibbs used preseason tremendously, even though he didn't always win the individual games.