Our next coach??

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Rebuid the 0-line and JC gets better. It really ISN'T complicated. Will he be elite? Probably not. But does anyone think our record wouldn't be much better with a GOOD o-line? Please...

I 100% agree with you. To me the O-line is the most important thing right now and yes given all day to throw I guess JC would be a better QB.

I guess I should not have thrown so much at everyone at one time....

I doubt JC stays with the Skins. Period.

Next issue. We do need to build up the O-line for whoever is here be it a Rookie or vet from another team.

Next issue. Unless we are keeping Zorn there will be a whole new scheme to learn JC will have no one upsmanship on anyone.

Next issue. Right now JC is being given the same amount of time to get rid of the ball as many other QB's on other teams. The difference is the other teams are making adjustments for the QB to get the ball out throughout the whole game faster to avoid the rush. Other teams QB's seem to be able to move their protection around better in order to avoid the rush.

Next issue. JC is not accurate at all on the long balls.

[MTK]

Regardless of his lack of success in college Weis is a proven NFL coordinator. He's not going to have a problem getting a job in the NFL. Some guys just aren't cut out for head coach, and the college game is a different animal. Success there doesn't always translate to the NFL and vice versa.

[SBXVII]

^ I respect that thought. Maybe Weis gets a job and lights it up. I'll happily eat my crow if I'm wrong.

I see Crennel or people talk about him and I see all the NFL networks commercials running through my head.

Edit: sorry Coors light commercials.

[SBXVII]

Ok, I took the time to google and look up Weis in Wiki. It was dificult for me I'll have you know. LOL. Just kidding.

Here's the important part.....

He served as offensive coordinator under head coach Bill Belichick from 2000 through 2004, installing the Erhardt - Perkins offensive system, and assisting the Patriots in three Super Bowl victories (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX).


I guess my question is what is the "Erhardt-Perkins offensive system"? Who was Erhardt and Perkins? Cause Weis is a deciple of Bill Parcells.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, I took the time to google and look up Weis in Wiki. It was dificult for me I'll have you know. LOL. Just kidding.

Here's the important part.....

He served as offensive coordinator under head coach Bill Belichick from 2000 through 2004, installing the Erhardt - Perkins offensive system, and assisting the Patriots in three Super Bowl victories (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX).


I guess my question is what is the "Erhardt-Perkins offensive system"? Who was Erhardt and Perkins? Cause Weis is a deciple of Bill Parcells.

So you looked up Weis but why not just look up Erhardt - Perkins offensive system too? Anyway here's your answer:

New England Patriots strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So you looked up Weis but why not just look up Erhardt - Perkins offensive system too? Anyway here's your answer:

New England Patriots strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ummm, pure lazyness? Sorry. Actually I didn't even think to look up the system. Weird. I immediatly thought to go there to see what they had on Weis then I guess my brain shut down. LOL.

[SBXVII]

So now looking at the material picking up Weis might not be a bad idea but obviously Shanahan would not be the right HC for his system. I think Shanahan runs a type of WCO. So who do we pick up as HC?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

So now looking at the material picking up Weis might not be a bad idea but obviously Shanahan would not be the right HC for his system. I think Shanahan runs a type of WCO. So who do we pick up as HC?

It's kind of funny how you were all anti-Weis for several posts...yet hadn't really given much thought to his actual background other than he was just fired by Notre Dame as head coach.

Anyhow, Weis and Shanahan probably wouldn't and won't be a good combo. Weis and Cowher on the other hand...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's kind of funny how you were all anti-Weis for several posts...yet hadn't really given much thought to his actual background other than he was just fired by Notre Dame as head coach.

Anyhow, Weis and Shanahan probably wouldn't and won't be a good combo. Weis and Cowher on the other hand...

IMO, that would be an amazing combination and would definitely be a move that would be absolutely brilliant for this team. Unfortunately, Snyder and Cowher aren't interested in eachother from what i've read.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

IMO, that would be an amazing combination and would definitely be a move that would be absolutely brilliant for this team. Unfortunately, Snyder and Cowher aren't interested in eachother from what i've read.

Yeah that's the rumor now, but it wasn't a few months back, and it may not be a few months from now. A lot can change between now and January

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah that's the rumor now, but it wasn't a few months back, and it may not be a few months from now. A lot can change between now and January

Thats true. We can only hope. The fact that hiring Cowher and committing to him long-term would be the best move Snyder (low risk / high reward) could make in the offseason from a football perspective, its about the only thing Snyder could do that would appease the fans who are fed up with how he's been running this team. Hiring Shanahan and giving him total control just aint gonna cut it.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah that's the rumor now, but it wasn't a few months back, and it may not be a few months from now. A lot can change between now and January

DS is the guru at changing peoples mind. Which is why I still hold out a smidgen of hope everyone gets snatched up and he's left with Marty, but I am now believing there is most likely a verbal agreement already in place with Shanahan. Just a feeling. Otherwise DS would be panicking about teams that have already called him to meat with him. Cerrato and Zorn would already be fired and DS would have Redskins1 enroute to pick him up.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's kind of funny how you were all anti-Weis for several posts...yet hadn't really given much thought to his actual background other than he was just fired by Notre Dame as head coach.

Anyhow, Weis and Shanahan probably wouldn't and won't be a good combo. Weis and Cowher on the other hand...

Well to be honest I didn't hear the name and then run out and check him out. Several times earlier I had asked people to inform me as to why they thoought he would be a good candidate. I'm not just going to willy nilly agree that someone should be a good candidate because a few people are riding his jock. On another site people where doing the same thing, not sure if it wasn't the same people but I again asked what was so special about him. No one answered. I coulda, shoulda, Wiki'd him prior to opening my mouth I guess but as you would do with most of your friends you would simply say why do you think he would be a good candidate. With out a decent answer ...I'm seeing a college coach who must have come from the pros and failed. Got fired at the college level. One could say if you can't make it at the college level you aren't going to make it at the NFL level.

I was open to the reasoning. One was "just cause he didn't make it at the college level does not mean he can't make it at the NFL level." I agreed.

I didn't look into him but you guys pointed out he used to be a OC with the Patriots during their SB yrs.

This is when I took the time to look into him. I can be swayed with reasonable information which was lacking on this site other then to say ..."Lets get Charlie Weis." All I needed was the "Why do you think he would be a good choice" and you guys answered it.

I mentioned Carmichael and Christensen cause they are with winning teams right now. I presume they had something to do with that. I'm not DS who would most likely be looking deeper into whether they would or would not be great coach's here, I was simply suggesting other people who I presumed were OC for their teams or had a roll in making them a winning team. Plus they were young.

I could simply keep putting up a post saying

"I want Marty Schottemheimer...get er done."

but I didn't. I like to think I open for suggestions and conversations about those suggestions. Besides we would not have had such a great posting session had I simply said " No I still think he sucks, lets get Marty.".....and yes I know you guys have already said Marty is not wishing to come back.

[MTK]

If we hire Shanahan I doubt Weis would be considered at all.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we hire Shanahan I doubt Weis would be considered at all.

I can see DoubleG bringing in Weiss, though. The more I think about it, DoubleG likely becomes the primary "Plan B" for Snyder should he be unable to secure any of the big name guys.