Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Did Kyle and Vince cross paths at Texas or were they 5+ years apart?

They were purple drank buddies.

[skinsfaninok]

I wouldn't bash McNabb for last season entirely , he had a bad year and didnt fit our scheme . crap happens let's move on to a new QB

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I wouldn't bash McNabb for last season entirely , he had a bad year and didnt fit our scheme . crap happens let's move on to a new QB

Two sides failed to diffuse the situation. Right now, I'm throwing daggers at McNabb because, boy oh boy, he does deserve it for his BS, but I have no love for the Shanahans' brain farts--it brings to light the question of whether the younger Shanahan really is that good of an OC--regarding the situation either.

[Swarley]

I'm sorry but am I the only one that thought "we showed our youth" was not even close to warranted any controversy? They were a young team, they showed inexperience, that's it.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

I'm sorry but am I the only one that thought "we showed our youth" was not even close to warranted any controversy? They were a young team, they showed inexperience, that's it.

You are not alone. That comment and its supposed fallout were way overblown.

[30gut]

SirClintonPortis-
Your post still represents the minority opinion when it comes to McNabb.

I could counter with the vast majority of players and coaches in the NFL and in college that respect McNabb as leader, but it would be pointless because you still wouldn't agree.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

SirClintonPortis-
Your post still represents the minority opinion when it comes to McNabb.

I could counter with the vast majority of players and coaches in the NFL and in college that respect McNabb as leader, but it would be pointless because you still wouldn't agree.

If only the world were so simple that the causal links were ignored and I could simply just follow percentages and nonsubstantive cliches. Tell me what he has done, and I'll give an ear, if only for a brief moment.

Telling me to just follow with an appeal to the majority, that will NEVER ever fly. because there is absolutely NO substantive attempt to persuade, just follow the leader and shut up.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Tell me what he has done, and I'll give an ear, if only for a brief moment.

Telling me to just follow with an appeal to the majority, that will NEVER ever fly. because there is absolutely NO substantive attempt to persuade, just follow the leader and shut up.

Funny, I don't see where I tell or suggest for you to do anything.

If you think the sky is red that is your right.
But, what sense would it make to argue with a man yelling at the top of his lungs that the sky is red?

There is no need for me to convince you that its not, that would be silly because your mind is made up.

However, lest you think others agree with you, I'll simply remind you that the sky is blue.

The onus is on you to prove otherwise with something more then a couple of dissenting largely anecdotal minority opinions.

I'll repeat, at the end of the day the notion that you're pushing is still the minority opinion regardless of how loud you yell it.

-Hail

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Funny, I don't see where I tell or suggest for you to do anything.

If you think the sky is red that is your right.
But, what sense would it make to argue with a man yelling at the top of his lungs that the sky is red?

There is no need for me to convince you that its not, that would be silly because your mind is made up.

However, lest you think others agree with you, I'll simply remind you that the sky is blue.

The onus is on you to prove otherwise with something more then a couple of dissenting largely anecdotal minority opinions.

I'll repeat, at the end of the day the notion that you're pushing is still the minority opinion regardless of how loud you yell it.

-Hail

Sophist and mind reader. Rather than prove the falseness behind my assertions, you just conviniently use an "appeal to the majority" fallacy. Good for you, moron. I have no respect for that type of fallacious argumentation.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Sophist and mind reader. Rather than prove the falseness behind my assertions, you just conviniently use an "appeal to the majority" fallacy. Good for you, moron. I have no respect for that type of fallacious argumentation.

Man this post is so comical. For a few of us at least...still, no need to call him a moron.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Sophist and mind reader. Rather than prove the falseness behind my assertions, you just conviniently use an "appeal to the majority" fallacy. Good for you, moron. I have no respect for that type of fallacious argumentation.

Nice.
You can't just be wrong, you gotta be wrong and classless.
Cool.

Argument Ad Ignorantiam

When a proposition is argued to be true because it has not been proven false:

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Rather than prove the falseness behind my assertions

SCP.
Opens mouth inserts foot.
Rinse.
Wash.
Repeat.

-Hail

[Longtimefan]

Shein says no to Beck and Grossman. Mark Bulger??

All Sports Video - All Sports - FOX Sports on MSN

John Beck is already being a leader - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

[gafinfan]

Marc Bulger??? Great???

Marc Bulger NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Marc Bulger - 9 years in the league - 8 years playing on the field with 2 winning seasons and 1 season going 8-8 plus his first year of 6-1. His record of the last three playing years is a grand total of 5-30. Yep Bulger must be the answer!

With 27 TDs to 34 INTs posted in those last three playing years, what with 2010 being a year riding the pine!

[ethat001]

Are Vince Young, Marc Bulger and John Beck -- that much *better* than McNabb? Come on, McNabb (in his second year in system) should be comparable to these guys. Sure he didn't do well last year, and now we've benched him an alienated him. Perhaps he wasn't right for Shanahan's system. McNabb made poor decisions and didn't know the playbook as well as he should.

BUT:
1) McNabb was hired only 4-5 months before season
2) It was the first year in new offensive system for everyone on offense
3) Poor offensive line play
4) 3rd and 4th string RBs with Portis and even Torrain out for part/most of system
5) Only an aging Moss and a CFL wide receiver to throw to..


I just think McNabb had an off year, but people are throwing him under the bus. He was a Pro Bowl QB for 10 years, and I don't think you lose it in 1-2 years. Is he what he was when he went to the Super Bowl? Maybe not, but I don't think he's "washed up" quite yet.

I know he's on his way out, but I would have preferred to keep McNabb, tailor the offense around him and use him for 2-3 years like we planned. Now we're just searching for another FA QB, without any assurance they'll be better or viable long-term. McNabb is now just a wasted 2nd round (& mid-round) draft pick. Not to mention - we could have kept Campbell, and he couldn't have done too much worse.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Are Vince Young, Marc Bulger and John Beck -- that much *better* than McNabb? Come on, McNabb (in his second year in system) should be comparable to these guys. Sure he didn't do well last year, and now we've benched him an alienated him. Perhaps he wasn't right for Shanahan's system. McNabb made poor decisions and didn't know the playbook as well as he should.

BUT:
1) McNabb was hired only 4-5 months before season
2) It was the first year in new offensive system for everyone on offense
3) Poor offensive line play
4) 3rd and 4th string RBs with Portis and even Torrain out for part/most of system
5) Only an aging Moss and a CFL wide receiver to throw to..


I just think McNabb had an off year, but people are throwing him under the bus. He was a Pro Bowl QB for 10 years, and I don't think you lose it in 1-2 years. Is he what he was when he went to the Super Bowl? Maybe not, but I don't think he's "washed up" quite yet.

I know he's on his way out, but I would have preferred to keep McNabb, tailor the offense around him and use him for 2-3 years like we planned. Now we're just searching for another FA QB, without any assurance they'll be better or viable long-term. McNabb is now just a wasted 2nd round (& mid-round) draft pick. Not to mention - we could have kept Campbell, and he couldn't have done too much worse.

McNabb is the NFL's Scott Gomez. You go "ooooooh" and "ahhhh" with his creds, but they actually aren't that great anymore and even in their prime, had a limitations to their game. McNabb's legs are giving out, and pocket passer McNabb has NEVER been a world beater.