Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[Paintrain]

LOVE RGIII, however, if Manning is healthy (I know-impossible to tell) and available it would be irresponsible for us not to strongly pursue him. The nerve regeneration is something that can literally happen overnight. Marcellus Wiley was talking about this the other day, he had a similar nerve issue in his leg and had no explosiveness for 8 weeks into the season he said. He had 1.5 sacks and then literally from one day to the next, his nerve 'fired' and he was back to 100% immediately and racked up an additional 10 sacks the rest of the season.

Now of course, that's grapes and grapefruits but the point is short and long term, Manning is the play. For the short term he is obviously the best bet to improve our chances to win. Long term since we'd have to likely give up multiple high picks to get Griffin that will impede our rebuilding process so to acquire Manning and keep our now and future picks, draft a QB in the 2nd round (or even trade back into the 1st to get Tannehill at a lesser cost than going up for RGIII) would be better for the long term build of the roster.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Now of course, that's grapes and grapefruits but the point is short and long term, Manning is the play. For the short term he is obviously the best bet to improve our chances to win. Long term since we'd have to likely give up multiple high picks to get Griffin that will impede our rebuilding process so to acquire Manning and keep our now and future picks, draft a QB in the 2nd round (or even trade back into the 1st to get Tannehill at a lesser cost than going up for RGIII) would be better for the long term build of the roster.

Good points. Acquiring Manning does not necessarily mean that we won't be rebuilding. As you say, a healthy Manning actually gives us the best chance to rebuild, especially if we BA works his magic and we trade down. With a healthy Manning, I wouldn't mind seeing the following:

Rd 1: Blackmon (yeah I know a longshot at #6)
Rd 2: Cousins/Osweiller
Rd 3: O-lineman

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Good points. Acquiring Manning does not necessarily mean that we won't be rebuilding. As you say, a healthy Manning actually gives us the best chance to rebuild, especially if we BA works his magic and we trade down. With a healthy Manning, I wouldn't mind seeing the following:

Rd 1: Blackmon (yeah I know a longshot at #6)
Rd 2: Cousins/Osweiller
Rd 3: O-lineman

Yeah, the more I've thought about it I don't see the Manning move as abandoning what we've been building because at worst he will be a model of professionalism and work ethic for the young players to see. His intangibles alone are enough to make a case for him. Imagine Manning on offense and Fletcher on defense. NO player would have an excuse for 'not knowing how to be a pro' looking at them.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Good points. Acquiring Manning does not necessarily mean that we won't be rebuilding. As you say, a healthy Manning actually gives us the best chance to rebuild, especially if we BA works his magic and we trade down. With a healthy Manning, I wouldn't mind seeing the following:

Rd 1: Blackmon (yeah I know a longshot at #6)
Rd 2: Cousins/Osweiller
Rd 3: O-lineman

Agreed. Other than Luck, there is no QB in the draft I think is worth staking our future on, which is why going after manning makes so much sense. it would allow us to use our picks this year to build some talent and debt to surround the QB.

To be honest, id love to trade down in the first and pick up another 1st rounder in 2013... two 1st rounders would go a long way to help us secure barkley next year. He's the guy i think would be ideal as a future franchise QB. Let him learn under manning for 2 or 3 years.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Agreed. Other than Luck, there is no QB in the draft I think is worth staking our future on, which is why going after manning makes so much sense. it would allow us to use our picks this year to build some talent and debt to surround the QB.

To be honest, id love to trade down in the first and pick up another 1st rounder in 2013... two 1st rounders would go a long way to help us secure barkley next year. He's the guy i think would be ideal as a future franchise QB. Let him learn under manning for 2 or 3 years.

That'd be pretty sweet.

[REDSKINS4ever]

I've seen video clips of Tannehill. He's very good. He has good size, a strong arm, and he can scramble very well. He has a quick release. His game is very effective and in time he would benefit any NFL offense. But he's a project at best. I see him getting drafted late in the first round at the earliest. In the case that the Redskin sign Peyton Manning, and I don't think Allen and Shanahan will, then Tannehill being drafted would make sense. But everyone isn't Tom Brady. Meaning if success is gained in today's NFL, then you have to draft your QB in the first round, and that means sidestepping Manning and drafting RG3.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I've seen video clips of Tannehill. He's very good. He has good size, a strong arm, and he can scramble very well. He has a quick release. His game is very effective and in time he would benefit any NFL offense. But he's a project at best. I see him getting drafted late in the first round at the earliest. In the case that the Redskin sign Peyton Manning, and I don't think Allen and Shanahan will, then Tannehill being drafted would make sense. But everyone isn't Tom Brady. Meaning if success is gained in today's NFL, then you have to draft your QB in the first round, and that means sidestepping Manning and drafting RG3.

I don't see how we could not have a Favre/Rodgers situation where we draft a QB late in the first round and have him sit in the bench and learn from a legend. I have no basis to compare Tannehill as a prospect vs. Rodgers as a prospect, nor am I saying that Tannehill is the same prospect as Rodgers was coming out. However, I don't see anything wrong with growing our own QB and still get a good (possibly great) FA like Manning.

[TexSkins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't see how we could not have a Favre/Rodgers situation where we draft a QB late in the first round and have him sit in the bench and learn from a legend. I have no basis to compare Tannehill as a prospect vs. Rodgers as a prospect, nor am I saying that Tannehill is the same prospect as Rodgers was coming out. However, I don't see anything wrong with growing our own QB and still get a good (possibly great) FA like Manning.

It would be nice to have a young QB learning from Manning. I think they need to have 3 QBS on the active roster this year. Manning, Grossman (ugh), Rookie

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by TexSkins

It would be nice to have a young QB learning from Manning. I think they need to have 3 QBS on the active roster this year. Manning, Grossman (ugh), Rookie

While I agree with you, why Grossman and not Beck? Grossman is a FA and we've seen his 'best'. Why not just keep Beck in his final year of the contract, give him a full offseason and have him as the #3 QB?

Don't get me wrong, Beck sucks but you don't bring in Manning and draft a QB early with the intention that your 'other' backup is going to get much playing time.

[Mahons21]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

While I agree with you, why Grossman and not Beck? Grossman is a FA and we've seen his 'best'. Why not just keep Beck in his final year of the contract, give him a full offseason and have him as the #3 QB?

Don't get me wrong, Beck sucks but you don't bring in Manning and draft a QB early with the intention that your 'other' backup is going to get much playing time.

I disagree. Manning is an injury risk, and if you acquire a young QB they're most likely going to need some time to develop.

Depth chart should be Manning/Rex/drafted QB.

EDIT: I should have prefaced this post. That should be the depth chart as long as the Skins are in contention, obviously if they're mathematically eliminated it would be wiser to give the young QB some live PT.

[TexSkins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

While I agree with you, why Grossman and not Beck? Grossman is a FA and we've seen his 'best'. Why not just keep Beck in his final year of the contract, give him a full offseason and have him as the #3 QB?

Don't get me wrong, Beck sucks but you don't bring in Manning and draft a QB early with the intention that your 'other' backup is going to get much playing time.

I would take Rex instead of Beck simply because Beck can't win. Just for back up if Peyton goes down we need someone to move the ball down the field for a field goal.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

While I agree with you, why Grossman and not Beck? Grossman is a FA and we've seen his 'best'. Why not just keep Beck in his final year of the contract, give him a full offseason and have him as the #3 QB?

Don't get me wrong, Beck sucks but you don't bring in Manning and draft a QB early with the intention that your 'other' backup is going to get much playing time.

Your right but the concept is at some point PM is going to have to be replaced and you don't want to be relying on the 4th round pick you took 2-3 yrs ago.

I'll say this... if RGIII falls to us at #6 we take him no matter if we have PM or not. Otherwise I'd look to trade back maybe mid round in order to pick up another draft pick and take the QB we like out of the 2nd best. Depending on what we do WR wise in FA I might even take a second round or third round QB and call it a day. Why? because as much as you guys want to seperate the QBs as being better then each other I see only small differences. Luck obviously stand out. RGIII is a slight drop off. and from there the rest to me are all about the same ball park with only a slight drop off from RGIII, (Tannehill, Foles, Weeden, T.Wilson, and Cousins). I watched a little film on Osweiler over the weekend and I'm actually impressed with him as well. He's gangly but he seems to scramble/run well, He has a nice long ball, and he can see the whole field because he's like 6ft-8in.

Maybe dump both Grossman and Beck, pick up PM, and take two Rookies in the draft. Pm will take up one roster spot, one of the rookies can take up the other and the last can be on the PS. By the way I'd dump Crompton also. This way we have one Vet, two rookies. Maybe Weeden because of his age makes him more mature and another young rookie QB.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by dean518

i would prefer PM if we have chance to get him , not racial discrimination , i really do not expect a black QB to lead a nfl team go further , or i can not wait for more 2 or 3 years if draft RG3 , and even do not know if it's a right choice . If PM to our team , i would very happy to collect his Redskins jersey .

Ah. Some racism and improper grammar to go along with my Folgers this morning.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Ah. Some racism and improper grammar to go along with my Folgers this morning.

The best part of waking up is a bigot in your cup.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

The best part of waking up is a bigot in your cup.

Glad I wasn't drinking anything at the time.