What has Obama done well?

[Hog1]

in the...........off-season, the off-topic is the main forum

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Hay, I'm down with "warning->temp ban->ban" model but to get rid of the whole forum section because of few bad apples seems too tyrannical to me.

Saden its becuase of you. LOL

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Look, I'll admit I can be as intransigent as the next guy. At the same time, I also enjoy better understanding opposing points of view if only to make me question and better understand my own.

Inner conflict is the catalyst for moral development. As you already understand, an argument doesn't have to reach a resolution for it to be valuable. In fact, you could argue that conflict without resolution is the most valuable discussion of all.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Inner conflict is the catalyst for moral development. As you already understand, an argument doesn't have to reach a resolution for it to be valuable. In fact, you could argue that conflict without resolution is the most valuable discussion of all.

There you go with that hippie nonsense again. Inner conflict, moral development, conflict resolution, how is it that you watch football? Do drop blotter when you watch it?

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

There you go with that hippie nonsense again. Inner conflict, moral development, conflict resolution, how is it that you watch football? Do drop blotter when you watch it?

...nice. Bad apple.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

There you go with that hippie nonsense again. Inner conflict, moral development, conflict resolution, how is it that you watch football? Do drop blotter when you watch it?

I'll break it down for your feeble, bitter mind, inside that massively large head of yours...

When people argue/discuss, two things can happen:

1.) You hear an idea that conforms to your already established beliefs

2.) You hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs

When you hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs, three things can happen:

1.) The conflict between the beliefs leads to a new belief (usually a synthesis of the two)

2.) The conflict between the beliefs is eventually dismissed and your previously held belief is stronger for withstanding the challenge

3.) The conflict between the beliefs is resolved by accepting the new belief

So, you see, true thought progress is made by conflict -- the inner conflict that happens within your mind when you consider new ideas that don't conform with established ones. The conflict is the catalyst for development. This is why I believe that discussing ideas with people that only agree with you is far less valuable than unresolved arguments where there is a lot of conflict.

P.S.: I don't watch football, I'm only here for political discussion

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'll break it down for your feeble, bitter mind, inside that massively large head of yours...

When people argue/discuss, two things can happen:

1.) You hear an idea that conforms to your already established beliefs

2.) You hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs

When you hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs, three things can happen:

1.) The conflict between the beliefs leads to a new belief (usually a synthesis of the two)

2.) The conflict between the beliefs is eventually dismissed and your previously held belief is stronger for withstanding the challenge

3.) The conflict between the beliefs is resolved by accepting the new belief

So, you see, true thought progress is made by conflict -- the inner conflict that happens within your mind when you consider new ideas that don't conform with established ones. The conflict is the catalyst for development. This is why I believe that discussing ideas with people that only agree with you is far less valuable than unresolved arguments where there is a lot of conflict.

P.S.: I don't watch football, I'm only here for political discussion

Well said. Careful though. You may be labeled "bad apple" and the stormtroopers will be knocking on your door.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Well said. Careful though. You may be labeled "bad apple" and the stormtroopers will be knocking on your door.

No one is going to overreact to a well thought out post such as Ghettos, although some may disagree. However PERHAPS you could learn from a well thought out post as well, and refrain from more juvenile tactics as name calling, etc.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No one is going to overreact to a well thought out post such as Ghettos, although some may disagree. However PERHAPS you could learn from a well thought out post as well, and refrain from more juvenile tactics as name calling, etc.

please forgive me.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'll break it down for your feeble, bitter mind, inside that massively large head of yours...

When people argue/discuss, two things can happen:

1.) You hear an idea that conforms to your already established beliefs

2.) You hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs

When you hear an idea that contradicts your established beliefs, three things can happen:

1.) The conflict between the beliefs leads to a new belief (usually a synthesis of the two)

2.) The conflict between the beliefs is eventually dismissed and your previously held belief is stronger for withstanding the challenge

3.) The conflict between the beliefs is resolved by accepting the new belief

So, you see, true thought progress is made by conflict -- the inner conflict that happens within your mind when you consider new ideas that don't conform with established ones. The conflict is the catalyst for development. This is why I believe that discussing ideas with people that only agree with you is far less valuable than unresolved arguments where there is a lot of conflict.

P.S.: I don't watch football, I'm only here for political discussion

That's very lofty. No good comes from drugs & alcohol. Remember that.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

please forgive me.

It's not really about "forgiving you", as much as just encouraging you to have more civil tone. If you "got it" already, then outstanding!

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

That's very lofty. No good comes from drugs & alcohol. Remember that.

What about good ........................ times?

(in the spirit of Hog1)

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

What about good ........................ times?

(in the spirit of Hog1)

That reminds of the Dave Chapelle show when they did the skit about the beer comercial and what they don't show you.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack
Very true...although it's interesting to note that when anyone mentioned how actions taken (or not taken) during the Clinton administration may have impacted the Bush administration that was usually brushed aside. Every president affects future presidents. It didn't just start with Bush/Obama

I know. Having all that excess money in the National Treasury must've been a real bitch.

This was my first post. Tongue in cheek. Duh.

All of my comments were 'general' and not aimed at one particular person on the board or character assasinations of any one poster. Here's where it started:

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33
Bush positives: - concept of No Child Left Behind
- Tax cuts resulting in 52 consecutive months of job creation
- minimized federal funding of abortion
- Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act
- Global HIV/AIDS funding
- instrumental in expanding NATO alliance
- Roberts & Alito and other strict constructionalist judge appointments.
- consolidated and reformed intelligence sharing
- parts of Homeland Security (agencies under HS should've consolidated more to reduce costs not as much new spending)
- Bush Admin thwarted additional terrorist attempts to attack US citizens/interests.
- Afghanistan (should've had better long term strategy)
- Iraq (actual war well executed, long term strategy not-so-much.) Troop surge worked though.
- Response to early 2000s (Clinton) recession.
- Economic Stimulus Act (mostly tax rebates)
- Do Not Call Act

Can I have some of the acid you just dropped?

I guess that was just way too mean. It's called "sense of humor". Suggesting that Slingin' was doing acid was a .....joke...

Then Slingin says: Surprise, a lefty from LA disagrees.

My reply: Assume my affiliations if you will. I voted for Paul. Independent from LA if you please. Did you understand all of "My Pet Goat" when Bush was reading it to you during the 911 attacks?

Again: joking. If I don't type a smiley face when kidding here, does it not come through? Then, I posted a few Bush You Tube links and wrote this:

I can keep going. It's infinite, like the number of homosexual scandals of the republican party. Again...joke. Then came this:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack
Me can't not undderstoood Myller. Me Stoopid Repbulican. Myller1oh1 so smart.

Ok, gotta run. Going to book my tickets for the Martha's Vineyard White House Tour.

Then me:

Well...statisitcally 1/2 of America believes that christianity is older than judaism and I do believe most christians in the US are republican so..draw your own conclusions. Ok. Really? Did that really offend? And just because I don't post a link doesn't make it not true. It was quoted on All Things Considered on NPR. That's where I heard it.

To which this was the result:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack
Woah, woah, woah...you're asking me to do math and also draw? That's too much for my little republican brain to handle all at once.

hmmm...sarcasm. uneducated wit.

It's an Oscar Wilde quote. kinda witty.

Then this from Slingin:

Link to this stat please.

Also may want to check this out....looks like Christian Democrats outnumber Christian Republicans, genius.

Mainline shows shift to Democrats | Christian Century | Find Articles at BNET

Among Catholics, the Ds outnumber Rs pretty significantly. Catholics make up about 23% of the country and are a solid chunk of the total number of Christians in the U.S.

http://cara.georgetown.edu/pr061808.pdf

So what conclusion should we draw again smart guy?

I sure he meant "smart guy" in a nice way.

Then:

JoeRedskin writes:

That dblanche is an idealogue with an agenda and obvious bias. Also, that dblanche calling Bush stupid is pretty much the kettle calling the pot black.


He probably gets the same "tingle" up his leg as Chris Matthews when Obama speaks.

and:
And I would suggest someone who paints with as "wide a brush" in calling people dumbasses should look in the mirror to find the dumbass.

I never called anyone a dumbass.

And from Hog1:

dblanche E Coyote...........Soooper genius

And more kindness from JoeRedskin with this lovely comment:

You, however, make broad sweeping statements impying anyone who might have a different opinion from you is an idiot. Post whatever you want, you've already shown youself to be a mindless biased drone.

I guess none of those comments were provocation for my most controversial next post:

I don't know, poopy head. Maybe it's because more and more folks in 2008 wanted to disassociate themselves from the sinking ship. Sounds like you are a little butt hurt so a nerve was obviously struck.
It's nice to see a president that can have a beer because he isn't a dry drunk.
Speaking of which, republicans are like a college chick. give her a couple of long island ice teas and they can be talked into anything...war, patriot act, confirming a cleaning lady to the supreme court.
You need to replace your town halls with study halls.

Now see if you understand now, my use of "poopy head" was commenting on the childishness and personal venom of the prior comments. I was using HUMOR to illustrate a point which obviously soared above some very low heads. Then the whole thing went into a tailspin which I happily fueled to again prove a point. If you don't believe me, go back to page 14 or 15 to see for yourselves. Spin away, Karl Rove.

[SmootSmack]

Would have been a lot simpler if you had said "I heard on All Things Considered that..." But you didn't so I guess we'll have to forgive you