Steelers @ Redskins (Pre season game 2)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

WOW, completely thought you were talking about Grossman all the way up to the last sentence. Limited? How? PW looked like RG3 running the scheme minus Mach 2 speed at running. I saw little difference The types of plays Rg3 ran last year and what PW was running in both games.

Grossman on the other hand looked to be running a basic offense, basic drop and throw with a lot less "option". Plus he's as slow as molasses.

Funny that we are only talking about the 3rd QB spot and funnier that everyone seems to have forgotten the attrociousness we call Grossman.

Personally I'll take anyone over Grossman just to make sure he is not in any form an option if they need QB #3. I'm really shocked and suprised we are having this discussion. I knew there were the few Grossman lovers but the amount of beloved support baffles me.

I'm not even sure what you're watching.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

WOW, completely thought you were talking about Grossman all the way up to the last sentence. Limited? How? PW looked like RG3 running the scheme minus Mach 2 speed at running. I saw little difference The types of plays Rg3 ran last year and what PW was running in both games.

Grossman on the other hand looked to be running a basic offense, basic drop and throw with a lot less "option". Plus he's as slow as molasses.

Funny that we are only talking about the 3rd QB spot and funnier that everyone seems to have forgotten the attrociousness we call Grossman.

Personally I'll take anyone over Grossman just to make sure he is not in any form an option if they need QB #3. I'm really shocked and suprised we are having this discussion. I knew there were the few Grossman lovers but the amount of beloved support baffles me.

WHat planet are you watching games from? Haha. PW is NOT running the same offense Bob runs. He runs the option aspect of it, albeit not as well but pretty good, but does not run the pass-offense at all. That's somewhat important since the two together make it all work.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

WOW, completely thought you were talking about Grossman all the way up to the last sentence. Limited? How? PW looked like RG3 running the scheme minus Mach 2 speed at running. I saw little difference The types of plays Rg3 ran last year and what PW was running in both games.

Grossman on the other hand looked to be running a basic offense, basic drop and throw with a lot less "option". Plus he's as slow as molasses.

Funny that we are only talking about the 3rd QB spot and funnier that everyone seems to have forgotten the attrociousness we call Grossman.

Personally I'll take anyone over Grossman just to make sure he is not in any form an option if they need QB #3. I'm really shocked and suprised we are having this discussion. I knew there were the few Grossman lovers but the amount of beloved support baffles me.

They run the system that fits the QB and thats called good coaching. If you listened to Gruden the other night he was pretty impressed on how the coaching staff called the plays to match his abilities. He also stated how Grossman was a 2nd string QB that been there and done that sitting in the 3rd spot. Look what other teams have for back up QB's and I think you will see we are better off then most.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

WOW, completely thought you were talking about Grossman all the way up to the last sentence. Limited? How? PW looked like RG3 running the scheme minus Mach 2 speed at running. I saw little difference The types of plays Rg3 ran last year and what PW was running in both games.

Grossman on the other hand looked to be running a basic offense, basic drop and throw with a lot less "option". Plus he's as slow as molasses[.]

Saw this and reminded me of this discussion. Hopefully, we are done with it very, very soon.

A Crash Course In The Pistol Formation, West Coast Offense, and RG3 as a Passer

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Saw this and reminded me of this discussion. Hopefully, we are done with it very, very soon.

A Crash Course In The Pistol Formation, West Coast Offense, and RG3 as a Passer

Done with what? talking about the formation our team uses or who should be the 3rd string QB?

So with all the negative comments I got for my praise of PW and negativity towards Grossman I thought I'd go look at the stats.

I guess if I was a fan who only looked at the rating % then most of you would be 100% right. Why?

Grossman: 82.3%
White: 35.7%

However I'm one to believe you have to look at the overall stats for the preseason. Not just the rating %.

Grossman: 54.1% passer rating.
White: 57.1% passer rating.

Ok I'll give RG1 a little credit he got 252 yrds passing while PW got only 53 yrds passing. RG1 got a passing TD while it says PW had zero. But I could have sworn he had a passing TD in the first preseason game and a rushing TD. Perhaps the passing TD was called back for something.

Both had a sack RG1's was 6 yrds, PW's was 5 yrds loss.

Both had an INT.

RG1's longest pass 23 yrds. PW's longest pass was 13 yrds.

So I can see how the RG1 camp is getting that he's better or so they think.

Lets now look at Rushing Yards. What... didn't think I would go there? Don't think the QB should be running or scrambling?

Grossman: 1 ATT. for -7 yrds.
White: 9 ATT. for 53 yrds.

Now 53 yrds does not sound like much but PW had 6.3 yrds per attempt rushing. His longest run was 18 yrds. and he rushed for 1 TD.

So to me in the grand scheme of things PW is not much different then RG1 but has mobility. Which this team needs at QB to accomplish its goal. Which is why I prefer PW over RG1 as the 3rd string QB.

Redskins.com | Statistics

[FRPLG]

Alternatively we could trade a first to every team in division in return securing their guarantee that they'll only play their 3rd stringers and below on defense. Then we could start PW and I'd be fine.

[Ruhskins]

Good news on Captain Kirk:

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[MTK]

Grossman is the #3 and here to stay.

Stop the Pat White madness.

[JoeRedskin]

I really thought last night would put an end to the Pat White mania ... apparently not.

To be an adequate replacement for Sexy Rexy, he ought to be looking like RGIII v. the teams no-names. I mean spectacular/unstoppable - deep balls hitting WR's in stride, lasers thrown 20-30 yards downfield, checking through to his 3rd or 4th progression.

Instead, Let’s compare shall we?

R. GROSSMAN 10/16 133 8.3 1 1 0-0 83.6
P. WHITE 3/6 22 3.7 0 1 1-5 19.4

Of White’s six passes, the only two that traveled more than 10 yards in the air were incomplete and intercepted. Two of his completions came on roll-outs resulting in “short-left” completions. One other roll-out, “short-left” completion was dropped by Reed. [All of these are essentially one receiver routes]. His one completion from a drop back went for two yards to the short middle on a third and eight. While he made 26 yard on a straight QB boot and one read option run, both were on first down out of a passing set. White is absolutely no threat in the passing game None. Zilch. Zero. Nada. Pagh. The sum of all positive integers and all negative integers of an infinite number line centered on the 50 yard line.

So, at the end of the 3rd and through the 4th quarters, on five drives, and against guys who will be bagging groceries in a month, White through for an amazing 22 yards and an interception.

White’s Pass/Run Plays:
1st and 10 at WSH 20:
(Shotgun) P.White pass short left to N.Paul to WAS 27 for 7 yards (K.Wilson).

1st and 10 at WSH 14:
P.White pass short left to E.Kettani ran ob at WAS 27 for 13 yards.

1st and 10 at WSH 27:
P.White pass incomplete deep left to D.Briscoe.

3rd and 8 at WSH 29:
(Shotgun) P.White pass short middle to N.Williams to WAS 31 for 2 yards (S.Thomas, R.Ventrone).

1st and 20 at WSH 22:
P.White pass incomplete short left to J.Reed.

3rd and 14 at WSH 28:
(Shotgun) P.White sacked at WAS 23 for -5 yards (N.Williams).

1st and 10 at WSH 37:
(Shotgun) P.White right end pushed ob at 50 for 13 yards (S.Thomas).

1st and 10 at 50:
(Shotgun) P.White left end pushed ob at PIT 37 for 13 yards (T.Garvin).

2nd and 8 at WSH 44:
(Shotgun) P.White pass deep left intended for L.Lewis INTERCEPTED by D.Smith at PIT 38.

Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Washington Redskins - Play By Play - August 19, 2013 - ESPN

Bottom line, White is barely qualified to be a camp arm.

[SmootSmack]

Could be up to 6 weeks from what I hear, but I really don't know

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Tyler Polumbus is painful to watch play RT. The reason he still has a job, much less a starting one at a key position for a division winning team, is completely beyond me.

I feel we need a lot of help and great play from or RT and secondary to even compete.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

Tyler Polumbus is painful to watch play RT. The reason he still has a job, much less a starting one at a key position for a division winning team, is completely beyond me.

I feel we need a lot of help and great play from or RT and secondary to even compete.

Polumbus is pretty awful, but in the larger context of guys who the Redskins started for multiple seasons (and multiple coaching staffs) after it was obvious they simply could not handle the speed of the NFL game, I'm not sure Polumbus would be in the top five.

Rabach, McIntosh, Sellers, and Hall would be that Mount Rushmore. And I don't think Polumbus has jumped Jamaal Brown or Ryan Torain quite yet.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Polumbus is pretty awful, but in the larger context of guys who the Redskins started for multiple seasons (and multiple coaching staffs) after it was obvious they simply could not handle the speed of the NFL game, I'm not sure Polumbus would be in the top five.

Rabach, McIntosh, Sellers, and Hall would be that Mount Rushmore. And I don't think Polumbus has jumped Jamaal Brown or Ryan Torain quite yet.

Rabach brings back bad memories. He was definitely a head scratcher how he stuck around for as long as he did. He was forever getting pushed back into the QB.

[CultBrennan59]

I know they're considered completely different positions, but I think Compton looks better as a LT than Polumbus does at RT. Maybe we can move Compton to RT and see how he fares.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I know they're considered completely different positions, but I think Compton looks better as a LT than Polumbus does at RT. Maybe we can move Compton to RT and see how he fares.

They seem pretty set on developing Compton at LT. Can't recall seeing much of Pashos yesterday. Thought he might give Polumbus a bit of a push. The wild card in all of this is Mo Hurt. He's got the versatility and experience to be a valuable back up, but not if he's, well, hurt