The Super Bowl Thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Peyton had the third highest average yards per pass attempt in the league. I'm sure if he didn't have the Seattle D-line all over him, he could have thrown a couple of deep ones.

Yeah, Im sure the WR YAC leader D Thomas helped that stat.

Peyton underthrew 2 downfield throws last night. His arm strength certain not close to what it use to be.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah, Im sure the WR YAC leader D Thomas helped that stat.

Peyton underthrew 2 downfield throws last night. His arm strength certain not close to what it use to be.

It is not, but when you have one of the greatest performance by a defensive line on an elite QB, which for some reason you keep undermining, it is a bit ridiculous to say that it was all because of his arm strength.

Seattle's plan wasn't to "dare him" to throw it deep, it was to disrupt Manning's passing attack. And it they did it in an almost flawless manner.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It is not, but when you have one of the greatest performance by a defensive line on an elite QB, which for some reason you keep undermining, it is a bit ridiculous to say that it was all because of his arm strength.

Seattle's plan wasn't to "dare him" to throw it deep, it was to disrupt Manning's passing attack. And it they did it in an almost flawless manner.

Not undermining anything. DLine played great, but Peyton had opportunities he certainly couldnt cash in on. The deep throw to Thomas? first half when he had a step on E Thomas, Peyton makes that throw before surgury. If you go back and watch the New England game, Peyton dinked and dunked down the field.

Safties (lol) were up most the game and they even let Kam play centerfield sometimes. Kam isnt the best cover safety.

But your correct disrupt the passing attack was surely the primary plan with pressure, but it also centered around the short passing attack and allowing zero yards after catch.

[Chico23231]

One thing that stuck out was Marshawn Lynch got effing handled by the Broncos' defense. They committed to stopping Lynch and said "Wilson, beat us." And he did. Big game by Wilson, 88.1 QBR, 123 rating. Big on 3rd down. Shoulda had 3 TDs, got 2.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

One thing that stuck out was Marshawn Lynch got effing handled by the Broncos' defense. They committed to stopping Lynch and said "Wilson, beat us." And he did. Big game by Wilson, 88.1 QBR, 123 rating. Big on 3rd down. Shoulda had 3 TDs, got 2.

But wait. Isn't he just a game manager?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

But wait. Isn't he just a game manager?

Exactly, not close.

[MTK]

Wilson made plays when he had to and was efficient. That team could win with a lot of different guys at QB.

[Chico23231]

Yeah I dont know. I think Wilson has proven in the past if he needed to be clutch and bring a team back from being down, he could have. Thought he played outstanding on a big stage.

One thing telling is the coaching staff wasnt conservative even with a lead. They continued to put the ball in Wilson hand to make plays running and throwing.

A "game manager" is a term used when a coaching staff doesnt have trust or full confidence in their QB to win games. If you watch Seattle, you never get that sense at anytime, in any game situation with Wilson.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah I dont know. I think Wilson has proven in the past if he needed to be clutch and bring a team back from being down, he could have. Thought he played outstanding on a big stage.

One thing telling is the coaching staff wasnt conservative even with a lead. They continued to put the ball in Wilson hand to make plays running and throwing.

A "game manager" is a term used when a coaching staff doesnt have trust or full confidence in their QB to win games. If you watch Seattle, you never get that sense at anytime, in any game situation with Wilson.

A game manager is when the QB is not asked to carry his team but is just asked to not lose the game for the team with interceptions or other stupid mistakes. Which is pretty much what the Seahawks ask of Wilson. He had 94 yards passing when the score was 29-0. With 16 of those 29 points coming from the defense or special teams.

Im not here to criticize Russell Wilson, because his team doesnt ask him to win games for them. He is doing what his coaches ask of him. And Russell, being as smart as he is, knows he doesnt have to score every drive for that team to win so he doesnt press it.

When your defense and special teams outscore the number 1 offense in a game, then just about any decent QB would win that game. Is the country calling him a great QB if he played on a team with a bad defense?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

A game manager is when the QB is not asked to carry his team but is just asked to not lose the game for the team with interceptions or other stupid mistakes. Which is pretty much what the Seahawks ask of Wilson. He had 94 yards passing when the score was 29-0. With 16 of those 29 points coming from the defense or special teams.

Im not here to criticize Russell Wilson, because his team doesnt ask him to win games for them. He is doing what his coaches ask of him. And Russell, being as smart as he is, knows he doesnt have to score every drive for that team to win so he doesnt press it.

When your defense and special teams outscore the number 1 offense in a game, then just about any decent QB would win that game. Is the country calling him a great QB if he played on a team with a bad defense?

8 4th Quarter comebacks, 10 game winning drives

Russell Wilson's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives - Pro-Football-Reference.com


2 years in the league, Superbowl winning QB

I actually think he would be considered a much better QB if not over shadowed by such a great defense.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

8 4th Quarter comebacks, 10 game winning drives

Russell Wilson's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives - Pro-Football-Reference.com


2 years in the league, Superbowl winning QB

I actually think he would be considered a much better QB if not over shadowed by such a great defense.

This is an interesting article about the 2012 QB draft. Wilson"s projections blow every QB in that draft away but because of changes in the program he played in they didnt really trust the calculation. It appears that the calculation wasnt too far off.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

This is an interesting article about the 2012 QB draft. Wilson"s projections blow every QB in that draft away but because of changes in the program he played in they didnt really trust the calculation. It appears that the calculation wasnt too far off.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012

Nice link. I like the 3rd to last comment(145) in reference to the last sentence of the Wilson blurp: "moot indeed....moot indeed."

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

8 4th Quarter comebacks, 10 game winning drives

Russell Wilson's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives - Pro-Football-Reference.com


2 years in the league, Superbowl winning QB

I actually think he would be considered a much better QB if not over shadowed by such a great defense.

Of those 8 4th quarter comebacks, in 2 of those games he had 0 TD passes for the game (one of which he had 123 total passing yards with an int and a completion % under 50%), and in 1, he threw an int in the end zone that was called a TD by replacement refs.

Take away that defense, and I dont believe that he is a SB winning QB.

[JoeRedskin]

Wilson is a good QB. Not sure he is elite - yet. With that D, and M. Lynch, he has the luxury of developing by playing with a good team. He has all the intangibles to make it to the Hall of Very Very Good. From what have seen of him, however, he still has accuracy and arm strength issues. I openly confess that I may be wrong on both issues.

[SFREDSKIN]

Did Mike Shanahan secretly coach the Broncos last night? They sure played like the 2013 Redskins, maybe Keith Burns coached the ST's.