The everything Gruden thread

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by los panda

not a fan

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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

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Its the everything Gruden thread and I believe that Panda is not a fan.


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Its the everything Gruden thread and I believe that Panda is not a fan.


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows.

bingo.

i do not believe that he handles himself w the proper cool/calm. in this circus city we need a more daltonian head coach, someone who can answer the questions asked by the press w/o acting personally insulted and then airing some degree dirty laundry.

shut up and lead, same for griff.

[Paintrain]

Have to be completely honest, I haven't seen anything that justifies bringing Gruden back for another year.
- He is supposed to be an offensive mind, yet the offense has regressed terribly all season.
- He is supposed to be a QB guy, yet the 2 young QB on the roster have not improved, actually gotten worse under him and he's trying to determine if Colt McCoy is the future at the QB position. Colt. Mc. Coy.
- The team is wildly undisciplined under him with personal conduct penalties (personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct), poor effort and way too many blown assignments to count. Add into that the loose culture and locker room from a 3-11 team.
- The team's performance has consistently gotten worse. They haven't competed since (maybe) the Minnesota game.
- In comparison to last year, this season 'feels' worse because there's nothing but apathy and disgust amongst the fanbase. Even as Shanahan was burning his way out of town, at least there was a thought among some that the right guy could turn things around to at least .500. I've never felt nor seen such a lack of hope.
- His talent evaluation skills are highly questionable at BEST, non existent perhaps. Lavaou & Chester still starting? Cutting so many draft picks and free agent signings? Seriously, what the hell is he doing?

I'm done with him and Allen. Blow the whole f'n thing up. Don't maintain continuity for the sake of continuity. This guy is a disaster.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Have to be completely honest, I haven't seen anything that justifies bringing Gruden back for another year.
- He is supposed to be an offensive mind, yet the offense has regressed terribly all season.
- He is supposed to be a QB guy, yet the 2 young QB on the roster have not improved, actually gotten worse under him and he's trying to determine if Colt McCoy is the future at the QB position. Colt. Mc. Coy.
- The team is wildly undisciplined under him with personal conduct penalties (personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct), poor effort and way too many blown assignments to count. Add into that the loose culture and locker room from a 3-11 team.
- The team's performance has consistently gotten worse. They haven't competed since (maybe) the Minnesota game.
- In comparison to last year, this season 'feels' worse because there's nothing but apathy and disgust amongst the fanbase. Even as Shanahan was burning his way out of town, at least there was a thought among some that the right guy could turn things around to at least .500. I've never felt nor seen such a lack of hope.
- His talent evaluation skills are highly questionable at BEST, non existent perhaps. Lavaou & Chester still starting? Cutting so many draft picks and free agent signings? Seriously, what the hell is he doing?

I'm done with him and Allen. Blow the whole f'n thing up. Don't maintain continuity for the sake of continuity. This guy is a disaster.

The lack of developing players, the cutting of draft picks, and the overall undisciplined feel of the team are reason enough to can Gruden and Allen. The QB fiasco, is entirely on Gruden, the failure to 'coach up' either Griffin or Cousins is certainly icing on the cake, in terms of making the case to fire Gruden. The most egregious issue, and the greatest mistake of the season was keeping Haslett.

We dump Bicarri Rambo, and lo and behold, he has two interceptions of Aaron Rodgers, watch Rambo turn into a decent player for the Bills, while we continue to look for a safety. The lack of player development is astounding, and it appears the Redskins will be NFC bottom feeders for a long time, most likely we are in for back to back 3-13 seasons.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Have to be completely honest, I haven't seen anything that justifies bringing Gruden back for another year.
- He is supposed to be an offensive mind, yet the offense has regressed terribly all season.
- He is supposed to be a QB guy, yet the 2 young QB on the roster have not improved, actually gotten worse under him and he's trying to determine if Colt McCoy is the future at the QB position. Colt. Mc. Coy.
- The team is wildly undisciplined under him with personal conduct penalties (personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct), poor effort and way too many blown assignments to count. Add into that the loose culture and locker room from a 3-11 team.
- The team's performance has consistently gotten worse. They haven't competed since (maybe) the Minnesota game.
- In comparison to last year, this season 'feels' worse because there's nothing but apathy and disgust amongst the fanbase. Even as Shanahan was burning his way out of town, at least there was a thought among some that the right guy could turn things around to at least .500. I've never felt nor seen such a lack of hope.
- His talent evaluation skills are highly questionable at BEST, non existent perhaps. Lavaou & Chester still starting? Cutting so many draft picks and free agent signings? Seriously, what the hell is he doing?

I'm done with him and Allen. Blow the whole f'n thing up. Don't maintain continuity for the sake of continuity. This guy is a disaster.

This team looks similar to last year which tells me it's more on the players. Maybe another guy gets a few more wins out of this group, but at best this is a 6 win team.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This team looks similar to last year which tells me it's more on the players. Maybe another guy gets a few more wins out of this group, but at best this is a 6 win team.

At very best.
I also do not think the qb's have regressed under him. Thats bull. They both sucked last year too.

[skinsfaninok]

Fire Jay gruden. Seriously he's not that good of a coach and when he said he didn't know moss got kicked out I Lol'd

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Fire Jay gruden. Seriously he's not that good of a coach and when he said he didn't know moss got kicked out I Lol'd

That was a red flag too. How do you not realize when your players have been tossed? Did you just run into the locker room and not see the scrum? Clown shoes, man.

[skinsfaninok]

Yep just a joke. Sucks to be a fan of this crap every yr

[DYoungJelly]

The front office essentially got rid of the two Shannys and brought in one Gruden.

This team is essentially the same team that racked up 3 wins from last year. (I realize there have been minor changes.)

You don't change the identity and culture of a team by substituting one guy in. Gruden witnessed a class act in Marvin Lewis in Cincy during his years there. He knows what a winning culture is.

I believe the FO placed too much emphasis on continuity from last year because Gruden was a rookie HC. What ended up happening is the same losing culture and piss poor coaching was carried over.

Other than Jackson, we have the same crappy players bolstered by bad F.A. signings as last year.

Same offensive line except 77. Same defensive line exept 97. Arguably a worse deep secondary.

I have been really disappointed in Gruden as well. I think one of the biggest mistakes he made this year was not taking a timeout before the half at S.F. That was truly a rookie mistake and costs us points in a close game.

If the FO fires Gruden and brings in whoever and maintains the same crappy players and the same crappy coaching staff what should the expectations be next year?

That's exactly what happened last year.

I hope he has an opportunity to shape his coaching staff and personnel to his plan.

That way he fails or succeeds on his own merit, not B.A.'s. Anybody taking the job this year was doomed.

All that being said, I was hoping for more and he has underwhelmed big time. For the life of me, I don't understand why we can't do simple things like get Reed or Paul to block. That one little thing would be huge. Stuff like that aggravates the crap out of me.

One more year is in the cards for him here.

[Rotten1980]

The clock management before halftime should be enough reason for Gruden to be shown the door today. He's not pro HC material, it's blatant.

Hoping Snyder has already started search for Grudens replacement, anybody heard?

[Hog1]

This team is more than a one year project......for anyone.
Dumping Gruden at this juncture would confirm the apparent incompetence of our front office, thus assuring we never have an opportunity to sign a decent coach....

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Hog1

This team is more than a one year project......for anyone.

Dumping Gruden at this juncture would confirm the apparent incompetence of our front office, thus assuring we never have an opportunity to sign a decent coach....

Stop being so sensible. That is not the Redskin way. Lets just assume the guy that inherited a complete disaster that took YEARS to build sucks because he wasnt able to turn burning shit into gold bars with no cap money, no first round pick, and the worst DC in history that was "given" to him, in 13 WEEKS! Holy crap everybody.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Stop being so sensible. That is not the Redskin way. Lets just assume the guy that inherited a complete disaster that took YEARS to build sucks because he wasnt able to turn burning shit into gold bars with no cap money, no first round pick, and the worst DC in history that was "given" to him, in 13 WEEKS! Holy crap everybody.

Answer this for me.. What has Gruden done to give you confidence that next year (and subsequent years) with a 1st round pick, cap money and a new defensive coordinator that he's the right guy?

It seems like many of the support for Gruden returning is based on:
-We don't want to 'send the wrong message' by firing a guy after one year.
-We don't want to hear 'same old Redskins' by firing a guy after one year.
-We don't want to start all over again by firing a guy after one year.
-We don't want to look stupid for firing a guy after one year.

But what the thread is light on is, we probably have the right guy in place based on XYZ and that's why he should return. Looking for reasons to support him.