2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[NC_Skins]

ROFL. This was almost as good as the BushJr blunders. Wow, this guy is something else. *grabs popcorn*




I particulary loved the part at the beginning where this reporter calls him out on lobbyist running his campaign and Mitty gets mad as hell. LOL

[firstdown]

The reason we laugh at what Obama says is that he thinks Gov. is the answer to everyones problems. He has a pattern of this thinking so when he says those things it just in line whith his thinking that gov. knows best. We know what he said and that statement alone is no big deal but if you look over his history for every problem he has a gov. solution.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The reason we laugh at what Obama says is that he thinks Gov. is the answer to everyones problems. He has a pattern of this thinking so when he says those things it just in line whith his thinking that gov. knows best. We know what he said and that statement alone is no big deal but if you look over his history for every problem he has a gov. solution.

This is funny, not because you said it but because I've probably heard...mmm..over a hundred Obama speeches and he's said over and over...and over again that he doe not think government is the answer to all of our problems. Happen to catch him online just yesterday and said those exact words. In fact, I'm willing to bet he'll make that point yet again during his big convention speech next month.

I get it though, it's something conservatives have to say to sharpen differences with liberals. But as it's been pointed out, President Obama is the smallest gov't spender since Dwight Eisenhower. Now, that's a fact. So no, Obama's not in love with federal spending and he doesn't think government is the answer to everything.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

But as it's been pointed out, President Obama is the smallest gov't spender since Dwight Eisenhower.

Just for clarification, it's the smallest percentage of increased spending since Eisenhower. He's a between 1-2% increase spending which is low. The problem is here, that the dummy before him jacked spending through the roof which makes the overall numbers huge.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Just for clarification, it's the smallest percentage of increased spending since Eisenhower. He's a between 1-2% increase spending which is low. The problem is here, that the dummy before him jacked spending through the roof which makes the overall numbers huge.

Star Wars: "Who's the more foolish...the fool or...

So by your logic, Obama is an even bigger dummy than Bush since he still increased spending and did nothing to fix our broken entitlement system...wow, we agree on something political.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Gotta love this, can't wait for Obama to be re-elected and see more of this type stuff once ObamaCare takes over the healthcare system.

"The gov't is smarter than you and know what's best for you, so do what we say or we'll pass laws making you do what we say."

Mayor Bloomberg's plan to restrict baby formula and reduce size of sugary drinks doesn't sit well with voters - NYPOST.com

Even in the People's Republic of NY, they don't want the regulations on baby formula (now who's trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and their kids) and sodas.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

So by your logic, Obama is an even bigger dummy than Bush since he still increased spending and did nothing to fix our broken entitlement system...wow, we agree on something political.

He's not the bigger dummy because he didn't start the wars, but your point about him reducing spending is valid. I've always termed Obama's administration as Bush's third term.

[Dirtbag59]

And the ironic thing is a tax increase would do almost nothing to help reduce the deficit.

Review & Outlook: The Obama Rule - WSJ.com

The Obama Treasury's own numbers confirm that the tax would raise at most $5 billion a year—or less than 0.5% of the $1.2 trillion fiscal 2012 budget deficit and over the next decade a mere 0.1% of the $45.43 trillion the federal government will spend. When asked about those revenue projections, White House aide Jason Furman backpedaled from Mr. Obama's rationale by explaining that the tax was never intended "to bring the deficit down and the debt under control."

The Buffett rule is really nothing more than a sneaky way for Mr. Obama to justify doubling the capital gains and dividend tax rate to 30% from 15% today. That's the real spread-the-wealth target. The problem is that this is a tax on capital that is needed for firms to grow and hire more workers. Mr. Obama says he wants an investment-led recovery, not one led by consumption, but how will investment be spurred by doubling the tax on it?

The only investment and hiring the Buffett rule is likely to spur will be outside the United States—in China, Germany, India, and other competitors with much more investment-friendly tax regimes. The Buffett rule would give the U.S. the fourth highest capital gains rate among OECD nations, according to a new study by Ernst & Young, to go along with what is now the highest corporate tax rate (a little under 40% for the combined federal and average state rate). That's what happens when politicians pursue fairness over growth.

[12thMan]

Fair point and a distinction I didn't bother to make again, because it's been pointed out here before. The simply reality is Obama's not the boogeyman big gov't spender the right makes him out to be. Even if you consider the stimulus, 40% of were tax cuts. So again, it's a big fail when the drag that into the argument.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Fair point and a distinction I didn't bother to make again, because it's been pointed out here before.

Yeah, it's been pointed out many times by you and me, but the same crew keeps claiming the wrong stat in regards to that particular fact. Seems that "lowest percentage of increased spending" is obviously the same as "total overall spending".

[drew54]

Obama may be the best Republican president in my lifetime.

[Dirtbag59]

So does anyone think Obama will dump Biden and make Hillary his running mate? I think if that happens Obama is a lock to win. Ironically if I could go back to 2008 as far as the Primaries and pick anyone from both parties to be President I probably would have gone with Hillary.

I mean I don't think Obama getting reelected will be anywhere close to the doomsday scenario Republicans will have you believe will take place but at the same time I feel like Romney has more potential to get the economy going again. Also my main beef with Obama is he's basically embraced the whole Occupy Wall Street movement and engaged in some warped form of class warfare, which is disappointing because he started out as a moderate.

Either way I hope Hillary runs in 2016 just so we can have more options should the economy stay stuck in it's current bout of limbo.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

So does anyone think Obama will dump Biden and make Hillary his running mate? I think if that happens Obama is a lock to win which is kind of ironic.

He should, but he's not.

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I mean I don't think Obama getting reelected will be anywhere close to the doomsday scenario Republicans will have you believe will take place but at the same time I feel like Romney has more potential to get the economy going again. Also my main beef with Obama is he's basically embraced the whole Occupy Wall Street movement and engaged in some warped form of class warfare, which is disappointing because he started out as a moderate.

The President has about as much influence on the economy as he does the weather. There are several key factors here. The global economy is one of those factors, and it affects ours just as ours affects theirs. The second factor is Congress. This is by far the most important as they dictate policy. Only THEY can implement a Presidents plan. Now, lets look back and see how the Republicans have stonewalled Obama his entire tenure unless it was somehow benefiting them.Congress has turned into a dog and pony show. Guess what? If Romney gets elected, what do you think the Dem controlled Senate is going to do after 4 years of the Republicans doing it? They are going to absolutely shit on any and all legislation so they can point the finger at him at the end of his term and say "Our candidate is better."

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He should, but he's not.





They are going to absolutely shit on any and all legislation so they can point the finger at him at the end of his term and say "Our candidate is better."

....sounds really familiar,almost like it's happen before.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He should, but he's not.





The President has about as much influence on the economy as he does the weather. There are several key factors here. The global economy is one of those factors, and it affects ours just as ours affects theirs. The second factor is Congress. This is by far the most important as they dictate policy. Only THEY can implement a Presidents plan. Now, lets look back and see how the Republicans have stonewalled Obama his entire tenure unless it was somehow benefiting them.Congress has turned into a dog and pony show. Guess what? If Romney gets elected, what do you think the Dem controlled Senate is going to do after 4 years of the Republicans doing it? They are going to absolutely shit on any and all legislation so they can point the finger at him at the end of his term and say "Our candidate is better."

When a Rep. is pres. its his fault and when a Dem is pres its everyone but his fault. LMAO If business perceives a pres and anti business either real of perceived then the president hurts the economy. The reason why Obama does not get the backing of congress is because he shit on them early and often in his administration. Bill Clinton, Ronald Regan, Bush Sr, and other president who knew how to lead could find common ground with others and work from there. Obama has had everything handed to him and does not know how to cross the line to get others to work with him. He is just a shitty leader that does not know how to get things done so he just ignores our constitution and does what he wants.