Do You Unequivocally Believe RG3 Is Our Franchise QB?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Wouldnt upgrading our lines be a smart move now that we have capspace back and no first round pick though? I think if we snatched up three or four aged skill players with big names that we would see Madden references. I think what Bud38 suggested seems like a pretty logical thing to do?

You know I am not sure which is the best way to go. If you look at the statistics the better QBs in the league tend to be out of the top ten in sacks (Brady, Roethlisburger, Newton (and Flacco if you want to count him) are right around RG3 in terms of being sacked and in the top 10). On the other hand if you don't have targets there is only so much an o-line can do. Some of that is on RG3 having to read and release quicker and not miss targets too.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

You know I am not sure which is the best way to go. If you look at the statistics the better QBs in the league tend to be out of the top ten in sacks (Brady, Roethlisburger, Newton (and Flacco if you want to count him) are right around RG3 in terms of being sacked and in the top 10). On the other hand if you don't have targets there is only so much an o-line can do. Some of that is on RG3 having to read and release quicker and not miss targets too.

Yeah upgrades anywhere are a help. Budw38 does mention a wr - which I think we all agree on. PG, Hank, and another in free agency/draft is a necessity. I dont know how much you can read into those stats. I mean A team might give up 9 sacks in one game and 7 in another when there were injuries or something going on. Ran into a buzz saw defense? The rest of the year that oline might have held its own. I dont watch those other teams on a weekly basis, but I wAtch the Skins and the entire right side of our line needs replacing. Griff is still elusive enough to turn some would be sacks into a 2 yard gain, and Almos beast mode will also make our oline look better on the stat page. I know that if Griff is going to transition into more of a pocket passer there is no way around an upgrade on our line.

[BaltimoreSkins]

^Last year our sacks went way down due to the style of offense and his mobility. This year they are back up for the same reasons. You would have to delve deeper into those stats but I am assuming some of the top tier QBs run a more pass oriented offense than we do giving up far less sacks per a drop back than we do.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

^Last year our sacks went way down due to the style of offense and his mobility. This year they are back up for the same reasons. You would have to delve deeper into those stats but I am assuming some of the top tier QBs run a more pass oriented offense than we do giving up far less sacks per a drop back than we do.

Our offensive line play much better last year. I'm sure a lot of that was RG3, but for example Chester had a solid year last year. This year not so much.

[Chico23231]

Tj duckett what's just horribly awful. I mean maybe worst all time trades in nfl history area

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Tj duckett what's just horribly awful. I mean maybe worst all time trades in nfl history area

Yeah that and the Bailey trade , the fact that it wasn't straight up is beyond me, o also the JT trade

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah that and the Bailey trade , the fact that it wasn't straight up is beyond me, o also the JT trade

The Taylor trade was a total knee-jerk reaction by Snyderatto the day that Phillip Daniels had a season ending knee injury on the first day of training camp.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah that and the Bailey trade , the fact that it wasn't straight up is beyond me, o also the JT trade

Champ Bailey wasn't staying in DC no matter what, allegedly for personal reasons. Gibbs got a steal giving Bailey and a 2nd rounder for Portis, who broke the Redskins single season rushing record, and IMO carried the Skins a lot more than Bailey and Tatum Bell did the Broncos.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

The Taylor trade was a total knee-jerk reaction by Snyderatto the day that Phillip Daniels had a season ending knee injury on the first day of training camp.

Yep and JT played 1 yr w us I believe and had like 5 sacks

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I got drilled for it then and will probably get drilled for it now but 10 of those draft picks (Portis, Brunell, Duckett, Lloyd, Campbell, McIntosh trades) were all courtesy of Joe Gibbs 2.0. I said it then and I'll say it now, his stint set this franchise back 6-8 yrs. Vinny isn't without blame but Gibbs was making the key decisions.

He was far removed from football, completely immersed in nascar. That is where he was spending his Sundays, and not watching football.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Champ Bailey wasn't staying in DC no matter what, allegedly for personal reasons. Gibbs got a steal giving Bailey and a 2nd rounder for Portis, who broke the Redskins single season rushing record, and IMO carried the Skins a lot more than Bailey and Tatum Bell did the Broncos.

Ummmm..... A shut down corner is had to find. I think denver got the better deal. I love portis but that trade should have been strait up if anything.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Ummmm..... A shut down corner is had to find. I think denver got the better deal. I love portis but that trade should have been strait up if anything.

But everyone knows you can't win the Super Bowl without a dominant Running Back. Willie Parker, Joseph Addai, the warm bodies the Saints and Packers had. #notreally

Love Gibbs, but he was living in the past trying to build a team around the RB. That position should NEVER be the highest paid on the Offense/team . Young and cheap is the way to go.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

But everyone knows you can't win the Super Bowl without a dominant Running Back. Willie Parker, Joseph Addai, the warm bodies the Saints and Packers had. #notreally

Love Gibbs, but he was living in the past trying to build a team around the RB. That position should NEVER be the highest paid on the Offense/team . Young and cheap is the way to go.

A good RB goes a long way to helping you win a SB. Yes, we gave Portis $50 mil for 8 years. The Broncos gave Bailey $60 Mil for 7 years. While Bailey is a first ballot HOF'er, I don't think we make the playoffs in 2005 and 2007 without Portis.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Ummmm..... A shut down corner is had to find. I think denver got the better deal. I love portis but that trade should have been strait up if anything.

People seem to forget the context to that trade. It was not just a matter of getting Portis, Lavar had just signed a monster contract and we weren't going to be able to keep Champ in the off-season because of the salary cap. This was a trade to obtain some value.

[Skins4L]

is Jimmy Graham gonna be available?? if so.. garcon is good enough lol well skip WR.

but Tiquan Underwood would be a nice young upside value weapon.