I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Higskin

How about a 6+ who used to play wide receiver and make him an NFL QB and rhymes with Benadryl?

Griffinadryl? I didn't know RGIII used to play WR.

Sign Peyton Manninadryl?

Trade for Big Benadryl?

Perhaps I should try againadryl.

[SBXVII]

Ok here's hopefully my last crazy/funny idea.... lets take B.Banks and coach him up to play QB and beef up the OL. The way I see it.... defenses can't hit below the knees, can't hit helmet to helmet, so what are the 6' 300 pound DL's going to grab? and maybe if he crouches down so his helmet is at his knees then they really can't touch him. lol. Then we can use the Wild Cat more and B.Banks will have a bigger role in the offense and we don't have to worry about his small frame getting injured. lol.

[diehardskin2982]

Manning may be a fit for Kyle Shannahan offense. Matt Schaub is a downgraded version of Payton

[30gut]

Manning if healthy is a fit for any offense.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Manning if healthy is a fit for any offense.

Here's my only issue with Manning and it was brought up on Mike and Mike today while they were talking to the old Ravens HC Billick, basically said there are two knocks against Peyton from the start;

1- he will not have done any playing in over a year and a half.
2- no matter where he goes he will have to learn the verbage and plays.

He said what makes Peyton so good is the fact he was in the same system for so long that he would go into the meetings and basically take over and tell the OL what he wanted them to do and tell the WR's what he wanted them to do and had all those years in the same system to work on the hand signs and signals. Where ever Peyton goes next probably won't be as effective atleast for 2 yrs.

I like Peyton and want him here and would love to see him succeed but I honestly think he's done and would hope that if he's declared done then he wouldn't mind staying on as an assistant to work up the coaching ranks. I could see him and KS planning plays together, Peyton coaching up the QB's and helping out with signals and signs here.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Here's my only issue with Manning and it was brought up on Mike and Mike today while they were talking to the old Ravens HC Billick, basically said there are two knocks against Peyton from the start;

1- he will not have done any playing in over a year and a half.
2- no matter where he goes he will have to learn the verbage and plays.

He said what makes Peyton so good is the fact he was in the same system for so long that he would go into the meetings and basically take over and tell the OL what he wanted them to do and tell the WR's what he wanted them to do and had all those years in the same system to work on the hand signs and signals. Where ever Peyton goes next probably won't be as effective atleast for 2 yrs.

I like Peyton and want him here and would love to see him succeed but I honestly think he's done and would hope that if he's declared done then he wouldn't mind staying on as an assistant to work up the coaching ranks. I could see him and KS planning plays together, Peyton coaching up the QB's and helping out with signals and signs here.

you posted while I was writing mine! Some of the same points I made. Plus, please don't anyone compare Farve & his last good year in Minnesota to Manning. Totally different style, Manning is a perfectionist & control freak that needs total command of the offense in order to play his game.

[30gut]

Personally I don't think Peyton Manning will be physically able nor do I think it would be wise for him to play football; so for me its kinda a moot point.

But, if healthy Peyton is a one man show as far as passing game goes.
Imo it makes little to no sense to ask Peyton to learn your passing game because what are the odds its gonna be better then Peyton's?

If you sign Peyton you sign on for the whole show, you meet him halfway at least.
Peyton installs his offense, Peyton will have near total control of the passing game.
No one works harder at teaching the system as Peyton himself.
We've heard the reports of Peyton going to meet and teach young WRs the offense as evidenced by his work with Gonzalez, Garcon, Collie etc.
I'm sure Peyton and the OC can put their heads together and figure out how to translate Peyton's offense into the verbiage of his new team's language.

If he's healthy Peyton is going to be Peyton.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Manning if healthy is a fit for any offense.

sure, but I wouldn't underestimate the learning curve in a new system. I'm not just talking about the learning curve for him, but also for all the other guys that haven't played w/him & his new coaches. The older a player is the more difficult it is mentally to make the transition.

I could easily see how a perfectly healthy Manning at 36 could go to a new team & really struggle, maybe due to little fault of his. He's had such a command of his team for so long & his success has hinged largely on his constant pre-snap calls & communication to his teamates. To come in & get a new team on the same page w/him while he is also learning a new system might be more of a task than most of us think. It might take a year to get in sync, but the guy's physical ability is likely to be declining even if he's healthy.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

sure, but I wouldn't underestimate the learning curve in a new system. I'm not just talking about the learning curve for him, but also for all the other guys that haven't played w/him & his new coaches. The older a player is the more difficult it is mentally to make the transition.

I could easily see how a perfectly healthy Manning at 36 could go to a new team & really struggle, maybe due to little fault of his. He's had such a command of his team for so long & his success has hinged largely on his constant pre-snap calls & communication to his teamates. To come in & get a new team on the same page w/him while he is also learning a new system might be more of a task than most of us think. It might take a year to get in sync, but the guy's physical ability is likely to be declining even if he's healthy.

Yes exactly my point. I think the QB's that might do best in your scenario are the journeyman QB's who have learned how to cram for their next exam/team. I would think players who have been with one team over a long period of time might struggle, ie; McNabb.

[Higskin]

"Come on Man" - to the guys who don't think he can learn a new scheme?

Peyton is coming from one of the most difficult offensive systems, will never be out done in the film room, out studied or out schemed. Calls plays at the line of scrimmage, calls all the protections, calls out blocking and can change a play in the same breath.

It's up to the coaches to decide but he certainly deserves a look and from about 25 other teams in the league as well.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Higskin

"Come on Man" - to the guys who don't think he can learn a new scheme?

Peyton is coming from one of the most difficult offensive systems, will never be out done in the film room, out studied or out schemed. Calls plays at the line of scrimmage, calls all the protections, calls out blocking and can change a play in the same breath.

It's up to the coaches to decide but he certainly deserves a look and from about 25 other teams in the league as well.

"Come on Man" right back at cha!

I stated that it's not all just about Peyton, it's about him learning a new system AND his teamates & coaches adapting to him. He had full control it appeared in Indy for all those years. Can't assume he would have that here or anywhere else. The coaching staff & players would have to adjust to him as well. He's no spring chicken either, how much change would you want to bring upon your organization for a 36 year old? Better in the long run to do that w/a rookie.

As for him coming in & being given full 'control' over the offense, how would that be for team morale? I'm sure Shanny would adapt some things to fit Peyton, but coaching staffs don't gut their entire system for a player unless they're hiring a new coordinator.

[SBXVII]

^ I said bring him in. Lets kick the tires as long as he's cut and we don't have to trade players or picks to get him. I would hope his work habits would run off on whoever is sitting behind him on the roster. If healthy he'd have to be 50% better then what we already have.

But on this issue I'm a skeptic. I thinks he's done and would love to have him here in order to be able to offer (when the time came) a coaching job to work with the young guns down the road.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

^ I said bring him in. Lets kick the tires as long as he's cut and we don't have to trade players or picks to get him. I would hope his work habits would run off on whoever is sitting behind him on the roster. If healthy he'd have to be 50% better then what we already have.

But on this issue I'm a skeptic. I thinks he's done and would love to have him here in order to be able to offer (when the time came) a coaching job to work with the young guns down the road.

My god, I cannot believe what we are hearing. you all are comparing Peyton to how we treated a Larry frikkin Johnson the other year, "might as well kick the tires on him".

Let me remind you that this is peyton manning. so he would be 50% better than what we already have?? really? how about 10000% better. Peyton manning is the best quarterback we have ever seen play, he is the utmost professional and hard worker. If fat boy rex grossman can learn kyles system in a couple years, then peyton manning will master it in a couple months. 50 percent better, lol, man was that statement disconnected. I actually cannot believe what I hear. Peyton would be a BLESSING to this team should he sign here. And, lets also get this straight. If he did come here, I think little kyle shanahan would take a backseat, and peyton would implement HIS offense, instead of the other way around. This is PEYTON MANNING we are talking about, 36 years old or not, he will instantly be the best quarterback to EVER play for this franchise, INSTANTLY. I think the premium being put on a "system" or even age is getting a little out of hand. Its football, whatever terminology is used, and Manning is a complete and utter MASTER of his trade. I go to bed praying at night, because absolutely nothing bad could come of a peyton manning signing here in DC. There is no way that could set us back further than we already are or have been, and anyone else saying otherwise is just fooling themselves.

Just say the name. Peyyyyyton Mannnning. Ok, get it?

[RexKelly]

I think that the Redskins are actually going to end up with Kyle Orton and possibly even resign Rex Grossman. We don't have any firepower to get Bradford or Luck.....

[mooby]

Originally Posted by RexKelly

I think that the Redskins are actually going to end up with Kyle Orton and possibly even resign Rex Grossman. We don't have any firepower to get Bradford or Luck.....

Is your name actually Rex Kelly or are you just dreaming of a Rex Grossman to Malcolm Kelly connection that never was?