Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Cofield would be a much better player as a DE (especially if Carriker is gone) and Soliai would be a much better fit as a NT. The only reason we are probably not get him is because of money (and for some reason JH/MS refuse to get a true 3-4 NT).

Can you imagine a DL rotation of Soliai NT, Cofield, Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Nield?

That would push our front 3 and front 7 into the upper echelon of 3-4 defenses.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

Schaub to the Skins?

Depends on the cost, not a terrible idea.

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.

[SmootSmack]

I've never been a big Schaub fan. Don't feel he comes through when needed more often than not.

[skinsfaninok]

Just because Manning may be interested in playing for Houston doesn't mean he doesn't want to Here either

[TexSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Just because Manning may be interested in playing for Houston doesn't mean he doesn't want to Here either

Read the fine print. He wants to play for a Super Bowl contender

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by TexSkins

Read the fine print. He wants to play for a Super Bowl contender

Hmmm..... and the Skins are not that? the Skins played better then the year before, the OL got better by the end of the year creating nice holes for the RB to run through, there was better protection, and we beat the SB champs twice. <- I now that may not mean much but it shows the Skins can contend.

3rd year in the same system, OL understanding their assignments better, combined with a really good run game, and I don't care what anyone says our defense was one of the best limiting teams to 20 or less points most of the time. Thats what you want. Look at the Patriots they gave up the most yrds all year but teams had a hard time scoring on them. Thats pretty much us. 5-11 doesn't sound like a contender but you have to look at the overall play and in most of those games the Skins lost by like 3 points. Get a decent QB and decent WR's and that alone could be the difference of getting a few more 1st downs for a field goal, or even 1 more TD per game.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by sbxvii

hmmm..... And the skins are not that? The skins played better then the year before, the ol got better by the end of the year creating nice holes for the rb to run through, there was better protection, and we beat the sb champs twice. <- i now that may not mean much but it shows the skins can contend.

3rd year in the same system, ol understanding their assignments better, combined with a really good run game, and i don't care what anyone says our defense was one of the best limiting teams to 20 or less points most of the time. Thats what you want. Look at the patriots they gave up the most yrds all year but teams had a hard time scoring on them. Thats pretty much us. 5-11 doesn't sound like a contender but you have to look at the overall play and in most of those games the skins lost by like 3 points. Get a decent qb and decent wr's and that alone could be the difference of getting a few more 1st downs for a field goal, or even 1 more td per game.

dude right here you are saying we are a super bowl contender!

this was the quote you were answering to:

Read the fine print. He wants to play for a Super Bowl contender

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mredskins

dude right here you are saying we are a super bowl contender!

this was the quote you were answering to:

Read the fine print. He wants to play for a Super Bowl contender

I said SB? I said contender. If we make it into the first round are we not contenders? The non contenders are the teams that didn't get to the playoffs, or so I thought.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by TexSkins

Read the fine print. He wants to play for a Super Bowl contender

If he's healthy he makes any team he plays for a Super Bowl contender. See the Colts for proof...Super bowl contender with him and worst team in the league without him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by TexSkins

Read the fine print. He wants to play for a Super Bowl contender

Yes. I can not see any scenario where PM says to himself "I have to play for the Redskins." The Skins are waaaaay too far away from being contenders and have no weapons for him to use. Manning is smart enough to recognize Washigton is just not a good option for him.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by irish

Yes. I can not see any scenario where PM says to himself "I have to play for the Redskins." The Skins are waaaaay too far away from being contenders and have no weapons for him to use. Manning is smart enough to recognize Washigton is just not a good option for him.

Hint of sarcasm? yes-no?

Funny I can see him thinking the other way. Especially with Montana having spoken to him telling him how good MS is along with the OL being blocking better, and 3 really decent RB's who did very well in the second half of the season. I can see him saying if they take me and pick up 1 or top WR's from free agency, draft a young QB, pick up another WR, get some OL and fix the couple of holes they have on defense the Skins could go pretty far. I think he's pretty smart too to recognize a team that is on the verge of becoming great and might want to be apart of that.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Hint of sarcasm? yes-no?

Funny I can see him thinking the other way. Especially with Montana having spoken to him telling him how good MS is along with the OL being blocking better, and 3 really decent RB's who did very well in the second half of the season. I can see him saying if they take me and pick up 1 or top WR's from free agency, draft a young QB, pick up another WR, get some OL and fix the couple of holes they have on defense the Skins could go pretty far. I think he's pretty smart too to recognize a team that is on the verge of becoming great and might want to be apart of that.

No sarcasm, I was calling it like I see it. All it takes is watching the playoffs to see how far away the Skins are. Its like playoff teams are playing one game and the Skins something altogether different. You name about 6 things that need fixed just get get the team competitive, That's not a team on the verge. I just dont see him wanting to go with a team that is so far away. PM knows he has maybe 3 years left at best and needs to go to a team that is only a QB away from winning it all. He wants to win next year not in a few years after multiple holes get filled.

Would I like to see him in DC, yes I would. Do I think he will sign here, no I dont.

[SBXVII]

What we do in FA QB wise should have nothing to do with what we do in the draft QB wise. Do we want to have Grossman and Beck back next year? no. So there will be a need to fill 1 spot with a Vet. The other with a drafted QB.

Free Agency:

Flynn- my choice only because he's still young and healthy. Showed he can make all the throws. The question...can he play all 16 games well and mistake free?

Orton- with the Bears he replaced Grossman because of injury. During the play offs Grossman replaced Orton. Orton didn't see the field for 2 yrs after. Basically a backup. If he can't beat Grossman there is a problem. Nuff said. I don't want him.

Peyton Manning- Best there is if healthy but thats the question. Money is not an issue since we have 40-45 mill, no way he commands near that amount. Plenty of room to sign other FA's. Healthy he's obviously the starter allowing whatever Rookie to develope. If he's not healthy by Sept. the Rookie starts. For this reason alone I'm interested in PM.

Draft:

Luck- not available. Colts. but if he is not picked would be nice to have him at #6.

RGIII- No matter what the team does in FA they can still trade up and get RGIII if they so choose. He's a top talent and the only thing that makes him different then other top talents is his legs. Are his legs worth it to move up? I don't think so. If he falls to #6 take him otherwise there is no need to mortgage the team. Its a luxury to have him but we could get 3 or 4 more players to fill spots in other positions. Would you trade the same picks for Flynn? cause he's just as much of an unknown. Although he has played in 2 games and proven he can beat a really good Lions defense. RGIII has not even done that.

The Rest- I see the rest as a big group because I don't see any one QB standing out from each other or atleast not that far from each other. I might also be in the minority in thinking that almost anyone of them with a good OL, and talented WR's could possibly start and provide us with a half decent season. Better then Grossman or Beck. Optimism at its best. I'd look for a tall 6'3" or 6'4" + QB around the 240 range which is what Ben Rothlesburger is. Solid and hard to bring down.

Again I don't see how FA should hinder what we do in the draft. We could get PM who almost no one would argue he's one of the best QB's when healthy and still trade up for RGIII. Get a couple FA WR's and draft some OL. If PM is healthy we win with the best QB in the league and RGIII developes and learns from the best. If PM is not ready to start then RGIII starts. So PM really shouldn't matter to the RGIII fans. If nothing else they should want him since they think he's done. RGIII would start.

I personally like the idea of PM if we can't get Flynn. I don't mind RGIII if he fell to #6 sure take him, but I'd rather use the other 2 draft picks this year to trade back if possible and turning 2 picks into 4. This brings in more youth, more speed, more help, and more talent to back up someone if there is an injury. Look we kept all of our draft picks last year if I'm not too far off and the majority started at some point. I'd love for us to do that again.

But face facts... this team is gunna want 1 Vet and a drafted Rookie going into next year. I'd rather it not be Grossman or Beck as the Vet. No Flynn- take PM. We'll worry about the draft a month later. After we see what we can do in FA and what talent we bring in.

[skinsfaninok]

The Skins are not as far as some of u guys think.. No one looks good with REX/BECK combo.. In fact we had a chance to sweep Dallas also, so 7-8 wins this year was in reach

[mredskins]

It amazes still how delusion some fans are as to where this team is. If you beleive we are a PM away from a Super Bowl then you need to put the bottle down.

I be surprised if we are a wild card team next year.