The everything Gruden thread

[Coff]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I think Gruden needs to go. At some point this season Jay decided that it is more important to get RG3 out of here, then winning games or developing talent. All of the players have regressed, even D.Jax. Gruden has not instilled confidence. Instead he has worked to teardown his players. I get not wanting to hitch your wagon to a QB you don't like, but honestly he needs to work with the roster that he put together.

Bring Todd Bowles as HC

Why would Todd Bowles sign with a team that just fired a coach after one losing season? See, that's the problem. We can have an interesting discussion about whether or not Gruden sucks as a HC, but firing him at this point would do a a lot of damage to this organization. It's already an organization that has a reputation as being a place coaches go to kill their careers. Why make it even worse? The Skins cannot fire Gruden this year, no matter how badly they may think he sucks.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by Coff

Why would Todd Bowles sign with a team that just fired a coach after one losing season? See, that's the problem. We can have an interesting discussion about whether or not Gruden sucks as a HC, but firing him at this point would do a a lot of damage to this organization. It's already an organization that has a reputation as being a place coaches go to kill their careers. Why make it even worse? The Skins cannot fire Gruden this year, no matter how badly they may think he sucks.

There are only 32 head coaching jobs, of those 32, only a fraction become available, boils down to simple math combined with the law of supply and demand. If Gruden is fired someone, will take the job, period.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

There are only 32 head coaching jobs, of those 32, only a fraction become available, boils down to simple math combined with the law of supply and demand. If Gruden is fired someone, will take the job, period.

Someone will always take an available job but what's the agenda and quality of that someone? Competent people don't sign up for bad situations with tons of restrictions. Gruden is a testament to this notion.

[irish]

If it wasnt for DJax this past off-season would be a total whiff by the front office.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by irish

If it wasnt for DJax this past off-season would be a total whiff by the front office.

This is a point that needs to be made over and over again. Really, everything after Shanahan was fired has been horrible. The hiring of Gruden hasn't worked. The other decisions on the coaching staff (retaining Haslett, McVay, Forester, Morris, hiring Kotwica) haven't worked. None of the free agents have worked. Jackson is the exception because without him we may be looking at a 1-15 season. Breeland seems like the only draft pick worth a damn.

In the 5 years since Bruce Allen has been in the organization the franchise has gotten appreciably worse in every single way, which 5 years ago seemed IMPOSSIBLE! Can you imagine that we're so much worse since Vinny F'n Cerrato left?!?!? We've lost 10+ games every season except 2012. He was at least in part responsible for:
-McNabb trade
-$36 million salary cap penalty
-Griffin trade
-Gruden hire and related coaching decisions

While Gruden may not be the sole problem, he's a major symptom and definitely not part of the solution.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

This is a point that needs to be made over and over again. Really, everything after Shanahan was fired has been horrible. The hiring of Gruden hasn't worked. The other decisions on the coaching staff (retaining Haslett, McVay, Forester, Morris, hiring Kotwica) haven't worked. None of the free agents have worked. Jackson is the exception because without him we may be looking at a 1-15 season. Breeland seems like the only draft pick worth a damn.

In the 5 years since Bruce Allen has been in the organization the franchise has gotten appreciably worse in every single way, which 5 years ago seemed IMPOSSIBLE! Can you imagine that we're so much worse since Vinny F'n Cerrato left?!?!? We've lost 10+ games every season except 2012. He was at least in part responsible for:
-McNabb trade
-$36 million salary cap penalty
-Griffin trade
-Gruden hire and related coaching decisions

While Gruden may not be the sole problem, he's a major symptom and definitely not part of the solution.

+1. The good news is Allen owns the dumpster.

[drew54]

No one has a chance to be successful with the OL that has been on the field. No coach, no quarterback, no one.

IMO, Long will probably start at one G spot next year, so they need to plan on finding a new RT and C for sure. Scherff or Ogbuehi will be available in the top 5. Or trade down to acquire as many usable picks for this year in Rounds 1 and 2. But no matter what, two of them must be spent on OL that can start week 1 next year.

WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Draft: Offensive Tackle Rankings
WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Draft: Guard Rankings
WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Draft: Center Rankings

It must be done.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Can anyone name one reason why Gruden should stay beyond not wanting to change the coach after one year?

I mean with Schottenheimer it was a boneheaded move to dump him as the team had gone 8-8 (a very respectable first season result)

Gruden looks headed to a 3-13 result after having blown through three QB's.

Has he done anything to earn a return?

Ignore the drama of firing a coach after one season, is there any reason to keep him? Any at all? Is the team any better now than it was last season? Any signs that we'll even get to a decent record of 7-9 next year?

If someone can give me a good reason to keep him around for next year, then I'll go along with it, just one.

[skinsguy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not going to be too upset if Gruden is retained or fired. I'll be more upset if there is no change in the front office at all.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not going to be too upset if Gruden is retained or fired. I'll be more upset if there is no change in the front office at all.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

[Kope]

I understand going for it on 4th and whaterver calls when we are getting hammered...mostly

But why the hell did we not kick a field goal get points and go into the half? It would have been 13-7 and getting the ball back at the half.....

soooo reminicent of the swinging gate, inventing ways to lose

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Kope

I understand going for it on 4th and whaterver calls when we are getting hammered...mostly

But why the hell did we not kick a field goal get points and go into the half? It would have been 13-7 and getting the ball back at the half.....

soooo reminicent of the swinging gate, inventing ways to lose

wasnt there 11 seconds or so on the clock?

that should be more than enough time if your QB understands he cant run a 12 second play that doesnt result in a TD.

5 seconds or less, you kick the field goal.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

wasnt there 11 seconds or so on the clock?

that should be more than enough time if your QB understands he cant run a 12 second play that doesnt result in a TD.

5 seconds or less, you kick the field goal.

Most cases in the NFL I would agree with you 100%. But this is not most cases in the NFL, and I would have tried to make sure the team got some sort of points before the half. Just pissed me off we got nothing. I think it was the right call too....that made me more mad.

So clear from my armchair tho

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not going to be too upset if Gruden is retained or fired. I'll be more upset if there is no change in the front office at all.

I can agree with this sentiment. Without major (not just giving AJ Smith the GM title) front office/football operations/philisophical changes, it doesn't matter if Jay Gruden, Jon Gruden, Jim Gruden, Jack Gruden or Jesus Gruden is on the sidelines. The results will still be the same. As it relates to Gruden for me, in the midst of the mess, I haven't seen anything that's encouraging to me that even with those changes that he's capable of making us a winner.

[punch it in]

I think we need a priest to perform an exorcism or maybe a witchdoctor that can lift the curse.
I also have to disagree with Paintrain - Ill take Jesus Gruden in a heartbeat. He would be a great asset for tapping into the Mexican Football League.