Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Well, we have about one more week to speculate. It's funny the emotions that we go through in situations like this. The initial thoughts, "No way this team won't give Cousins a long term deal." To, "Cousins is staying here whether it be through the tag or a long term deal!" Next, "I don't want to give up Cousins, but if we get two first round picks, maybe it could be for the best." And then finally, "At this point, I'm tired of hearing about it. Go or stay. I don't care anymore!"

One thing I will say fellas, the next few weeks will be quite interesting.

Wouldn't say I'm at your final step yet... I'm fed up with the waiting, the rumors, the speculations, the hesitations... But I'd still consider letting KC walk to be a devastating mistake for the foreseeable future of this franchise.

[CRedskinsRule]

Still the only thing that makes sense if we have turned the corner to being a football first franchise is a longterm deal. If that's what it's going to be, it ought to be done this week. I know deadlines make deals, but at this point you want to have his contract settled so you go into FA with a plan unhindered by speculation. We also have other contracts we ought to get done before the start of FA as well.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Still the only thing that makes sense if we have turned the corner to being a football first franchise is a longterm deal. If that's what it's going to be, it ought to be done this week. I know deadlines make deals, but at this point you want to have his contract settled so you go into FA with a plan unhindered by speculation. We also have other contracts we ought to get done before the start of FA as well.

I'm starting to feel that a franchise tag means that Cousins is most likely gone. Because I have a feeling the Redskins have a trade partner already lined up. While it's somewhat possible that the 'skins might be doing this in hopes other teams will offer Cousins a lowball contract, I doubt this will work. If he doesn't sign a contract this week, I will almost bet Cousins won't be a Redskin after 2017.

[Alvin Walton]

Eight more days....

Deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Eight more days....

Deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.

If I understood it correctly, the speculations won't end in 8 days: they'll probably tag him... and then we'll have to wait and see if they manage to sign a long term deal, or trade him, or if he just plays under the tag...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

If I understood it correctly, the speculations won't end in 8 days: they'll probably tag him... and then we'll have to wait and see if they manage to sign a long term deal, or trade him, or if he just plays under the tag...

If they tag him, you might as well figure he's gone, this year or next it won't matter. If they can't in their mind justify a long term deal off his body of work before Feb 28th, nothing will change between now and July.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If they tag him, you might as well figure he's gone, this year or next it won't matter. If they can't in their mind justify a long term deal off his body of work before Feb 28th, nothing will change between now and July.

I want to ask what is probably the dumbest question in the world, but I am really unfamiliar with the tags and how they work, so let me ask you:

If the Redskins still aren't sure about whether or not to tag him / trade him / release him, etc., by March 1, does that mean that Cousins fully enters into FA and then at that point could be signed by any team for any amount that they offer him?

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I want to ask what is probably the dumbest question in the world, but I am really unfamiliar with the tags and how they work, so let me ask you:

If the Redskins still aren't sure about whether or not to tag him / trade him / release him, etc., by March 1, does that mean that Cousins fully enters into FA and then at that point could be signed by any team for any amount that they offer him?

Yes and with caveats. March 1st is the deadline for signing franchise tags. Depending on which tag Cousins gets will determine if other teams are allowed to negotiate with Cousins or not. If it's the exclusive tag, no other teams can negotiate with Cousins and we pretty much are guaranteed to have Kirk Cousins through the 2017 season. If it's the nonexclusive, then other teams can negotiate and offer a contract, but the Redskins have the option to match. If they don't match the offer, then Cousins can sign with another team but that team gives up two first round draft picks.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I want to ask what is probably the dumbest question in the world, but I am really unfamiliar with the tags and how they work, so let me ask you:

If the Redskins still aren't sure about whether or not to tag him / trade him / release him, etc., by March 1, does that mean that Cousins fully enters into FA and then at that point could be signed by any team for any amount that they offer him?

Bottom line. They have to tag him or sign him by March 1st. If they do neither, he is a free agent and we would get at best a 3rd round compensatory, but they will do one or the other before the March 1st deadline.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If they tag him, you might as well figure he's gone, this year or next it won't matter. If they can't in their mind justify a long term deal off his body of work before Feb 28th, nothing will change between now and July.

I agree to a certain extent.

How sure are we that this is not happening: they want him here long term, but are not sure they want to pay the price he's asking, they think tagging him will buy them some time to negotiate, and might eventually end up paying him what he wants before the end of next season ?

I think the tag would give even more leverage to Kirk, but the possibility that they realize they don't really have a choice still exists.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I agree to a certain extent.

How sure are we that this is not happening: they want him here long term, but are not sure they want to pay the price he's asking, they think tagging him will buy them some time to negotiate, and might eventually end up paying him what he wants before the end of next season ?

I think the tag would give even more leverage to Kirk, but the possibility that they realize they don't really have a choice still exists.

At the point they tag him, they give KC a 33Million dollar (next year's tag number) reason not to sign a long term deal. Plus they would all but confirm he can't do enough to win the whole FO over, so there would be no way he signs any long term deal before next offseason. If they tag him, my expectation is that they will be looking to trade him. Maybe that's their plan, but I still stick to my prediction that they sign him to a 6 year deal by this Thursday.

[Chico23231]

Question: if not cousins, then who do you want as the QB next year?

1. Watson
2. Jimmy Garoppolo
3. McCoy
4. Romo
5. Cutler
6. Tribesky or the kid from Notre Dame
7. Alex Smith if cut by the Chiefs
8. Other, then who?

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Question: if not cousins, then who do you want as the QB next year?

1. Watson
2. Jimmy Garoppolo
3. McCoy
4. Romo
5. Cutler
6. Tribesky or the kid from Notre Dame
7. Alex Smith if cut by the Chiefs
8. Other, then who?

Alex Smith could be a very likely possibility since he was a McCloughan pick. I would be OK with Smith as a stop gap (can't believe we're talking about stop gap quarterbacks!) He's proven to get your team to the playoffs and win some playoff games. Getting his services while getting another team's two first round picks would be a pretty good scenario if we HAD to give up Cousins.

Other than that, I don't think I would want any of the other guys on that list.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Question: if not cousins, then who do you want as the QB next year?

1. Watson
2. Jimmy Garoppolo
3. McCoy
4. Romo
5. Cutler
6. Tribesky or the kid from Notre Dame
7. Alex Smith if cut by the Chiefs
8. Other, then who?

I am maxing out on everything else. Resign DJax, Garcon, Davis. Add Kevin Zeitler to the offensive line and DeAngello Williams as a platoon Running-back. Add Tony Jefferson, Brandon Williams, and Hightower on defense. I'd sign Mike Glennon to be the QB.Its only a 1 year fix. The 2018 QB draft group is better.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I am maxing out on everything else. Resign DJax, Garcon, Davis. Add Kevin Zeitler to the offensive line and DeAngello Williams as a platoon Running-back. Add Tony Jefferson, Brandon Williams, and Hightower on defense. I'd sign Mike Glennon to be the QB.Its only a 1 year fix. The 2018 QB draft group is better.

If you're just going for a one year fix, I don't think you can do much better than McCoy, especially considering he's been in the system and with these players for a few years already