What would it take?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Since we are talkin bout the corrupt media, any thoughts on bill Maher?

It's entertaining to watch the libs kill him. Always like maher because he understands freedom of speech means freedom of speech...not the pc, liberal censorship going on in this country today. Another reason why trump won.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXKIk7b0Owc

[MTK]

I think it's important to expose idiots like Yiannopoulos

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think it's important to expose idiots like Yiannopoulos

The guy seems like a gossiping sleaze bag...I had no idea who he was until Berkeley was protesting him. I'm a little surprised people are so wound up about this guy.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think it's important to expose idiots like Yiannopoulos

Expose him, fine. UC Berkley shut him down and "anti"-fascists vandalized the campus rather than let him speak ... are they that afraid of his words?


Where is the indignation over freedom of speech from the left? Where was the call to let him speak and then refute his positions?

Oh right ... that only applies to speech we like.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Expose him, fine. UC Berkley shut him down and "anti"-fascists vandalized the campus rather than let him speak ... are they that afraid of his words?


Where is the indignation over freedom of speech from the left? Where was the call to let him speak and then refute his positions?

Oh right ... that only applies to speech we like.

Bill Maher often blasts liberals for this very thing. Unfortunately he seems to the lone voice from the left on this.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Bill Maher often blasts liberals for this very thing. Unfortunately he seems to the lone voice from the left on this.

Maher does call it like it is more than most.

Well documented, his biggest issues for the last 4-5 years: liberal islam apologists and the pussy pc liberal agenda of the left. Maher arguements on both are the strongest in the country...look it up on YouTube, he is dead on.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Maher does call it like it is more than most.

Well documented, his biggest issues for the last 4-5 years: liberal islam apologists and the pussy pc liberal agenda of the left. Maher arguements on both are the strongest in the country...look it up on YouTube, he is dead on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVTK_XffAvk

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The recount thread has become less about the recounts since it's over. So how about a new question. For those who are anti-Trump, what would it take - or what would you need to see in the first 180 days to bring you to his side. Obviously some parts of his agenda will never be supported by democrats, but what could happen that would make his presidency more palatable then the last 4 years of Bush.

For the Trumpeters, what would it take, or what could he do in the 180 days to shake your faith, and specifically, what legislation could be passed or not passed that would make you buy in to the Trump's a charlatan argument.

My big 3 -
1) failing to repeal the Affordable Care Act - while a replace option at some point could be added, the repeal is the higher priority to me. For my family, I would be content going back to the health care of the past, at least I could afford that. (selfish bastard that I am that I want to be able to cover myself and my kids first).

2) making a unjustified deal with Russia. I don't think we should be Ukraine's protector, but we definitely should be committed to NATO. Any deal that trades any NATO member's security for Russian cooperation would break my faith in him.

3) a lack of efforts that specifically target improving the life of urban US cities. Both parties ignore the real needs of these populations, the democrats take them for granted, and republicans see them as unswerving opponents. I want to see Trump move beyond that dilemna.

the least important thing that Trump promised - the wall. If it's built fine, if not, make immigration attainable, deport criminals here illegally and call it a job well done.

What are your big 3?

Nothing is going to change for the better, but it will get worse. Up til the week before the election I was going to abstain from voting. The American voter was faced with a no win scenario. Two narcissistic power hungry psychos isn't much of a choice. People voted for Trump because he was the only one who campaigned with promise change, no war, no globalism, selling out the blue collar industrial workers of this nation, and cutting spending and debt. Hilary was just Obama 2.0 which was just Bush 2.0 in terms of war and debt(the two big issues that really matter). Most people didn't like either candidate they did vote for. It was change and not w anting a thoroughly corrupt politician in office vs those who didn't want a shoot from the hip egoist that was un PC in office. Trump won and I ended up voting for him, but I wish I had simply abstained like I originally was going to. The guy wants to have another détente with Russia, but we are shipping by train a ton of armor headed toward Ukraine as we speak. Sanctions are still going on. IN terms of Syria, we are actually considering boots on the ground there. Wow, what an incredibly stupid idea!!!!!!! Just like the other ME adventures we are in now. He wanted to drain the swamp, but his entire cabinet is filled with Goldman Sachs cronies and Israel First whack jobs. All this economic nationalism sounds good, but if he raises tariffs on things the ones getting screwed will be the American consumer, who is facing creeping inflation and the increased loss of decent paying jobs. It seems the neocon deep state types have already defeated his presidency, so this whole issue is moot. Americans need to wake up that our electoral system is rigged and any candidate from both parties has always been thoroughly vetted by the deep state elites. I don't expect anything from Trump that we haven't already seen from the past two shmucks in office, except that maybe if we do corner the Russian Bear anymore, there might be some mushroom clouds in our future. Trump is a one term president, as Hilary would have been if she was elected. Things are not going to get better. With the advent of this election, we have a new term coined and that is "fake news". Just about all media outlets are biased one way or another. Nobody trusts anyone anymore, and the distrust and paranoia is running fever pitch. If Trump would have stayed on point, things wouldn't look so bleak, but he seems to be in damage control mode so much that he comes off as incompetent and in over his head. As a result of the Flynn debacle, his hands are now tied in trying to thaw relations with Russia. Do we really need to have another Cold War, when we need to spend up to $9 trillion to modernize American infrastructure? How about our education system, health care, etc? Oh no, we need to create more bogeymen to justify making some assholes in the MIC rich. Sorry about the rant, but thus far Trump has been a major disappointment!! It looks like he had no clue as to what he was getting himself into.

[FlyerSkin]

Also, why do we need NATO? The Russian threat is garbage, but our threat against Russia in Ukraine is not. Do you think Russia wants to have ICBMs pointed toward her just south of the border if Ukraine joins NATO? That is why they act the way they do in Ukraine. What would be our response if say they tried to put ICBMs in Cuba again? We would go ape shit. Those people in E Ukraine knew how bad things were in Kiev and that their jobs and industries would have been sold to Western internationals and scrapped, leaving them even more economically depressed than they already were. The fact that they were deemed second class citizens didn't help either.

[CRedskinsRule]

No one, not even Trump, is saying that you can't criticize the president. In fact, contextual criticism is always a good thing. But falsehoods, distortions, and vitriolic bias from either side should always be pointed out as such. CNN cloaking itself in the 1st amendment is a deflection from their ever increasing bias, and an attempt to shut down the legitimate questioning of bias reporters.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No one, not even Trump, is saying that you can't criticize the president. In fact, contextual criticism is always a good thing. But falsehoods, distortions, and vitriolic bias from either side should always be pointed out as such. CNN cloaking itself in the 1st amendment is a deflection from their ever increasing bias, and an attempt to shut down the legitimate questioning of bias reporters.

Yes he is,and when it's done he acts like a petulant little child ,to call the press the enemy is attacking it.Trump deserves all the shit coming his way .Some of you might not remember it but yes the press did make Donald Trump,for years in the 70's and 80's he was on page 6 of the NY.Post or the front cover of the Daily News doing one outrageous thing or another so ,yes, the press did make Trump.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/b...ople.html?_r=0



I find it amazing the bitching going on about CNN yet allowing FOX to get away with anything.Hypocritical .

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Yes he is,and when it's done he acts like a petulant little child ,to call the press the enemy is attacking it.Trump deserves all the shit coming his way .Some of you might not remember it but yes the press did make Donald Trump,for years in the 70's and 80's he was on page 6 of the NY.Post or the front cover of the Daily News doing one outrageous thing or another so ,yes, the press did make Trump.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/b...ople.html?_r=0



I find it amazing the bitching going on about CNN yet allowing FOX to get away with anything.Hypocritical .

I find it amazing that you can't grasp the difference. Nobody is saying Fox presents an unbiased point of view. In fact everybody is agreeing that Fox has a bias to the right, and when reading stories there you need to be aware that you are getting information that has a conservative bias.
CNN USED to be known for it's objective reporting. Yes it had a soft bias, but they did strive to report objectively. The point being made now is that yeah they aren't an objective source any more, but they scream press infringement when they are treated like any other biased outlet.

[Chico23231]

You get 200 snowflakes together and you call it a rally and/protest. Who cares? Such small crowds...#mediafail

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You get 200 snowflakes together and you call it a rally and/protest. Who cares? Such small crowds...#mediafail

So the President of the United States of America holds a "pep" rally and only allows 9,000 thousand Americans to attend by giving away tickets,wonder how he knew exactly how and to whom to give those tickets too???Many great American leaders have given speeches but do it where they can get it to "all" Americans .Again what is Trump afraid of?

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So the President of the United States of America holds a "pep" rally and only allows 9,000 thousand Americans to attend by giving away tickets,wonder how he knew exactly how and to whom to give those tickets too???Many great American leaders have given speeches but do it where they can get it to "all" Americans .Again what is Trump afraid of?

He did get it to all Americans, it was live on TV.