Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

A good piece from Matt Williamson (a Scouts Inc guy) in looking at the Redskins without Haynesworth from a football standpoint.

The Big Question: Replacing Haynesworth - NFC East Blog - ESPN

I still don't understand why would fans want AH out of here.

I can't speak for everyone, but if I beleived that Haynesworth was motivated to do everything possible to be the best player possible in this new scheme and would give 100% to doing whatever the coaches asked him to do, there's no way i'd even consider getting rid of him. He's just to dominant when he wants to be. However, a number of factors make me believe that we won't be getting much effort from Haynesworth and he'll be a problem child as long as he's here. If we can get good value for him, we should trade him. If not, we just have to hope he decides at some point to commit 100% to his new role.

[KI Skins Fan]

Yes, I believe that AH is selfish. I also believe that anyone who thinks we should dump him is making a big mistake.

It is much more important to me that he is a great football player than it is that he is, IMO, a poor teammate. Not since we had Dave Butz have we had anyone close to AH in his ability to stuff the run. Plus, he can get after the QB, too. The guy is a beast. Our team is much better with him than it would be without him.

IMO, there is no way that we could get anywhere near a fair return if he were to be traded. So, trading him is out of the question.

It wasn't my intent to suggest that, once he arrives, he won't put out a good effort and make a significant contribution to the team. I think he will. I just don't like his "me first" attitude and his inflexibility in regard to attending the minicamps.

[SBXVII]

This is what I don't understand, I know on defense each person has a specific job, ie; DT/NT is supposed to take on blockers and fill gaps on run plays. What I don't get is although he might be used as a NT does he really think he would not be trying to go after the QB? It would be his job to collapse the pocket while the DE's were circling around forcing the QB to step up. I'd almost imagine he might even get more tackles, sacks and forced fumbles vs. the DE's. Plus if we stuck him at DE and the QB rolls out it's not like he would be able to keep up with the QB anyway... he's too big.

but, in any event, I really don't give 2 cents that he's not here. It's voluntary. I can remember growing up and maybe only 10 player out of 80 would show up for voluntary work outs. The rest were enjoying their vacation. No one threw a fit. The funny part is its like seeing a person driving down the 65mph highway at 65 mph and everyone else is doing 75-80mph and their mad at the driver going the speed limit. AH is doing what he is allowed to do. He is doing what the NFLPA fought for way back when, when the players didn't want the owners keeping them at the facility year around. Until the agreement changes no one can fault AH for doing what he is allowed to do.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

My biggest concern with the defense is switching Lorenzo Alexander to Jeremy Jarmon to LB (and Andre Carter), those could pan out but it's a bit of a risk at this point

yep.. I like Lorenzo but I don't know about him at LB.. Jarmon might be alright but will probably take some time..

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I can't speak for everyone, but if I beleived that Haynesworth was motivated to do everything possible to be the best player possible in this new scheme and would give 100% to doing whatever the coaches asked him to do, there's no way i'd even consider getting rid of him. He's just to dominant when he wants to be. However, a number of factors make me believe that we won't be getting much effort from Haynesworth and he'll be a problem child as long as he's here. If we can get good value for him, we should trade him. If not, we just have to hope he decides at some point to commit 100% to his new role.

I love your insight. You'll probably replace Smoot as the insider eventually.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

This is what I don't understand, I know on defense each person has a specific job, ie; DT/NT is supposed to take on blockers and fill gaps on run plays. What I don't get is although he might be used as a NT does he really think he would not be trying to go after the QB? It would be his job to collapse the pocket while the DE's were circling around forcing the QB to step up. I'd almost imagine he might even get more tackles, sacks and forced fumbles vs. the DE's. Plus if we stuck him at DE and the QB rolls out it's not like he would be able to keep up with the QB anyway... he's too big.

but, in any event, I really don't give 2 cents that he's not here. It's voluntary. I can remember growing up and maybe only 10 player out of 80 would show up for voluntary work outs. The rest were enjoying their vacation. No one threw a fit. The funny part is its like seeing a person driving down the 65mph highway at 65 mph and everyone else is doing 75-80mph and their mad at the driver going the speed limit. AH is doing what he is allowed to do. He is doing what the NFLPA fought for way back when, when the players didn't want the owners keeping them at the facility year around. Until the agreement changes no one can fault AH for doing what he is allowed to do.

He played a lot of DE last year on 3rd downs. He might be big but he can probably still run down most QBs.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He played a lot of DE last year on 3rd downs. He might be big but he can probably still run down most QBs.

Yeah, I was about to say, he can run down a QB scanning the field

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm just not seeing where you're coming from. Their public statements have been kept to a minimum and I really don't see how they've embarrassed or humiliated AH at all by saying they're disappointed he's not there. If you ask me they could have handled this A LOT worse.

Anytime Allen or Shanhan are asked about it, they give a pretty generic response. He's not here, we wish he was, but we've had good talks with him, he'll be here for the mandatory stuff, etc.

I would be willing to bet the discussions behind closed doors haven't been as good natured.

We can agree to disagree, I am not trying to make a big big deal out of this.
It is not so much about AH and this particular situation, it is more about the yearly ritual of certain coaches bitching in the press about players not attending voluntary events. Either it is voluntary or it is mandatory. You can not have it both ways.
Talk about potentially creating a hostile work environment. The NFL and NFLPA really need to visit this issue.
All I know is if my boss made a statement to the press and used the word disappointed when talking about me and attending a voluntary work event, I would not be happy about it and I would not respect for my boss for doing it in such a public way.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We can agree to disagree, I am not trying to make a big big deal out of this.
It is not so much about AH and this particular situation, it is more about the yearly ritual of certain coaches bitching in the press about players not attending voluntary events. Either it is voluntary or it is mandatory. You can not have it both ways.
Talk about potentially creating a hostile work environment. The NFL and NFLPA really need to visit this issue.
All I know is if my boss made a statement to the press and used the word disappointed when talking about me and attending a voluntary work event, I would not be happy about it and I would not respect for my boss for doing it in such a public way.

I agree the voluntary vs. mandatory thing creates sticky situations, but on the flipside if I'm AH and I just raked in $40M from my employer and 99% of my teammates are working hard at Redskins Park, voluntary or not it might be a good idea to play the good soldier routine and show up... out of respect for your employer and teammates.

[12thMan]

Hey, where are the two dudes that wanted to start the "Leave Danny Boy" banner, or whatever it was called.

They could start a "I hate Haynesworth" banner

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I agree the voluntary vs. mandatory thing creates sticky situations, but on the flipside if I'm AH and I just raked in $40M from my employer and 99% of my teammates are working hard at Redskins Park, voluntary or not it might be a good idea to play the good soldier routine and show up... out of respect for your employer and teammates.

I understand your flip side point, but at what salary level point is it acceptable to miss out on these events? I think to some coaches and FO's it is never acceptable to miss these events and that is the problem.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I agree the voluntary vs. mandatory thing creates sticky situations, but on the flipside if I'm AH and I just raked in $40M from my employer and 99% of my teammates are working hard at Redskins Park, voluntary or not it might be a good idea to play the good soldier routine and show up... out of respect for your employer and teammates.

Not to mention your "NEW" Head Coach and "New" Defensive Cordinator.I realize that the 3-4 might not be the scheme AH wants to play in but he's going to so why not come in see the play book learn some of the new language and what it is the Haslett has in store for him?

[GusFrerotte]

It isn't that he isn't here per say, but his attitude. THere is a new mHC?scheme in town. Wouldn't you want to geta heads up on learning what it is all about or get somewhat of a feel of what is going on before July/August, so you can excel come the season openeer vs the Cowboys. Sure it is optional, but the whole scheme is changing, get a leg up on it. It is analogous to having your professor in psycology taking time out to have study sessions at night for the big exam the follwing week, where he is going to touch on material that will be featured on the exam. Instead of going to the study session, you party, etc. Come test time, the students that went have a better idea of what they need to know to get the A, and you are uncertain of what will be covered. If some of these 3-4 DEs are really hungry for a job and compete, get to know the basics of the playbook, don't be too surprised if AH is going to have his ass on the bench often this season. Shanny wants guys that want to play and get the job done.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Not to mention your "NEW" Head Coach and "New" Defensive Cordinator.I realize that the 3-4 might not be the schem AH wants to play in but he's going to so why not come in see the play book learn some of the new language and what it is the Haslett has in store for him?

Even though I am one to say "this is voluntary camp, and he does not have to be here", I agree with most of you...

#1- We have a new HC. Nows the time to get to know him and him to get to know you. Show your work ethic.

#2- I agree that now is the time to learn the plays as a team and to learn each others nuances.

but I would hope that AH has the playbook by know. If he didn't have it the day he left after talking to shanahan, then I'd hope the team made sure one was either sent to him securely so he could be studying it all this time. I truly hope it's not a work in progress and they are still putting it together or just finished it last month.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

It isn't that he isn't here per say, but his attitude. THere is a new mHC?scheme in town. Wouldn't you want to geta heads up on learning what it is all about or get somewhat of a feel of what is going on before July/August, so you can excel come the season openeer vs the Cowboys. Sure it is optional, but the whole scheme is changing, get a leg up on it. It is analogous to having your professor in psycology taking time out to have study sessions at night for the big exam the follwing week, where he is going to touch on material that will be featured on the exam. Instead of going to the study session, you party, etc. Come test time, the students that went have a better idea of what they need to know to get the A, and you are uncertain of what will be covered. If some of these 3-4 DEs are really hungry for a job and compete, get to know the basics of the playbook, don't be too surprised if AH is going to have his ass on the bench often this season. Shanny wants guys that want to play and get the job done.

I wouldn't be surprised. I'd be shocked!