The Official 2010 Training Camp Thread

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Saw a note that Shanahan said AH would practice 2nd string NT on Monday.

Good practice for the 2nd string offensive line.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Saw a note that Shanahan said AH would practice 2nd string NT on Monday.

Why NT? Totally negates AH as a player. This better just be more Shanny trying to humble AH a bit. AH's talents will be negated significantly at NT.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Why NT? Totally negates AH as a player. This better just be more Shanny trying to humble AH a bit. AH's talents will be negated significantly at NT.

Haslett plans to use AH as a rushing NT during passing situations. Furthermore, it seems like guys on the defensive line are going to be very versatile and move around a lot. I wouldn't read much into this. I believe that once we are deep into training camp, you'll see AH as a DE with the first team. I don't mind seeing AH work for his spot. Also, I think Haslett has big plans for AH on that defensive line.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Why NT? Totally negates AH as a player. This better just be more Shanny trying to humble AH a bit. AH's talents will be negated significantly at NT.

He has the most to learn at NT. Playing DE in the 3-4 is similar to playing DT in the 4-3. The nose is a whole new animal, gotta get him up to speed there.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He has the most to learn at NT. Playing DE in the 3-4 is similar to playing DT in the 4-3. The nose is a whole new animal, gotta get him up to speed there.

OK I can understand that, but won't he still have to face being double or triple teamed at NT? I know he shed 35 lbs and probably will be more versatile once the knee is 100%, but that still is a lot of weight to go up against. I hope you are right about this just being a learning experience. I know Haslett has some nice plans for him, just hope it isn't as a full time NT.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

OK I can understand that, but won't he still have to face being double or triple teamed at NT? I know he shed 35 lbs and probably will be more versatile once the knee is 100%, but that still is a lot of weight to go up against. I hope you are right about this just being a learning experience. I know Haslett has some nice plans for him, just hope it isn't as a full time NT.

he was seeing doubles quite a bit as DT too

[davy]

Still stinking the place up...

Duds
QB Donovan McNabb. He still could be adjusting to the offense. He could be bothered by the fact that he really only has one proven receiver. Or he could just be having a bad camp. It’s only 10 days into camp so it’s not time to panic. However, McNabb had another bad day Saturday. He’s waiting too long after the receiver cuts to make the pass, a sign that he perhaps does not yet trust them. Receivers who have broken free on crossing patterns often have to reach back inside to make a catch. His passes have allowed beaten defenders to recover. At what point do you get concerned? If he has a bad preseason, too.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by davy

Still stinking the place up...

Duds
QB Donovan McNabb. He still could be adjusting to the offense. He could be bothered by the fact that he really only has one proven receiver. Or he could just be having a bad camp. It’s only 10 days into camp so it’s not time to panic. However, McNabb had another bad day Saturday. He’s waiting too long after the receiver cuts to make the pass, a sign that he perhaps does not yet trust them. Receivers who have broken free on crossing patterns often have to reach back inside to make a catch. His passes have allowed beaten defenders to recover. At what point do you get concerned? If he has a bad preseason, too.

Given his track record, it is too early to worry too much about DMac.

Worrying about the long snapping situation is a different story. If Sundberg can't cut it, we need someone else. I heard the Red Snapper is available.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Given his track record, it is too early to worry too much about DMac.

Worrying about the long snapping situation is a different story. If Sundberg can't cut it, we need someone else. I heard the Red Snapper is available.

Has anyone said Sundberg is not cutting it? He was an excellent long snapper at Cal. I was expecting him to have no problems coming in here and taking over at the LS spot.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Has anyone said Sundberg is not cutting it? He was an excellent long snapper at Cal. I was expecting him to have no problems coming in here and taking over at the LS spot.

There have been a few reports of snapping problems in camp, such as this one:

LS Nick Sundberg. He had another low snap on a field goal attempt in which Josh Bidwell made a good save. Graham Gano still made the kick, but I’ve seen too many of his snaps hit turf before hands.

Studs and Duds 8/7/10 | Washington Examiner

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

There have been a few reports of snapping problems in camp, such as this one:

LS Nick Sundberg. He had another low snap on a field goal attempt in which Josh Bidwell made a good save. Graham Gano still made the kick, but I’ve seen too many of his snaps hit turf before hands.

Studs and Duds 8/7/10 | Washington Examiner

What happened to the Red Snapper did we let him go or did he retire?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by davy

Still stinking the place up...

Duds
QB Donovan McNabb. He still could be adjusting to the offense. He could be bothered by the fact that he really only has one proven receiver. Or he could just be having a bad camp. It’s only 10 days into camp so it’s not time to panic. However, McNabb had another bad day Saturday. He’s waiting too long after the receiver cuts to make the pass, a sign that he perhaps does not yet trust them. Receivers who have broken free on crossing patterns often have to reach back inside to make a catch. His passes have allowed beaten defenders to recover. At what point do you get concerned? If he has a bad preseason, too.

Everyone is learning the new offense. A few players are actually having a very good camp while others are struggling. A new offense should not be that big of a problem for a FQB, but knowing Mc5's history of inacuracy, the trials he's experiencing early in camp are not surprising. Hopefully hell improve as things progress.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by davy

Still stinking the place up...
Duds
QB Donovan McNabb. He still could be adjusting to the offense. He could be bothered by the fact that he really only has one proven receiver. Or he could just be having a bad camp. It’s only 10 days into camp so it’s not time to panic. However, McNabb had another bad day Saturday. He’s waiting too long after the receiver cuts to make the pass, a sign that he perhaps does not yet trust them. Receivers who have broken free on crossing patterns often have to reach back inside to make a catch. His passes have allowed beaten defenders to recover. At what point do you get concerned? If he has a bad preseason, too.

LoL, that's gotta be from John Keim.
I kinda take any local sports media critique of acutual on the field play with a truck load of salt.
I doubt wether a) Keim can identifiy why McNabb may or may not be late on his throws (trust) b) Keim realizes that they are building chemistry and timing in the practices
c) does he take into account which receivers he's out of sync with?
d) wether or not he was under duress/which defenders they were going against
etc...etc...etc...
At what point do i get concerned?-Never
Edit:If he gets hurt
We're talking about Donovan McNabb not some unproven journeyman.
I won't be concerned if McNabb throws a billions ints in practice and in preseason, although i doubt he will.
Over the course of his career he's throw an astonishingly low number of ints and proven to be not just a top tier QB but a playmaker.

Craziness.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by 30gut

LoL, that's gotta be from John Keim.
I kinda take any local sports media critique of acutual on the field play with a truck load of salt.
I doubt wether a) Keim can identifiy why McNabb may or may not be late on his throws (trust) b) Keim realizes that they are building chemistry and timing in the practices
c) does he take into account which receivers he's out of sync with?
d) wether or not he was under duress/which defenders they were going against
etc...etc...etc...
At what point do i get concerned?-Never
Edit:If he gets hurt
We're talking about Donovan McNabb not some unproven journeyman.
I won't be concerned if McNabb throws a billions ints in practice and in preseason, although i doubt he will.
Over the course of his career he's throw an astonishingly low number of ints and proven to be not just a top tier QB but a playmaker.

Craziness.

Still, you have to be wondering in the back of your head about the answer to the biggest question of all. Why did the Eagles do the unthinkable and dump him? ANother thing, if the guy only has one trusted WR in preseason practice thus far, do you really think it is going to all of a sudden be hunky dory come Sept 12 unless the other guys step it up? Give the team another 3 weeks to get the rust completely shaken off then one can truly start worrying. If it is August 20 and media guys or fellow posters covering camp practice report the same things then you should worry. If we have preseason game performances ala the Zorn era worry like crazy.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Still, you have to be wondering in the back of your head about the answer to the biggest question of all. Why did the Eagles do the unthinkable and dump him?

I guess i would be worried if i thought that McNabb was done, which i suspect is what you believe.
But, your question has been answered by the people that made the decision:

Originally Posted by Mike Jensen and Ashley Fox

"The crux of the decision, and I think everybody [involved in the decision] would describe it the same way," Banner said, "[was that] we have two quarterbacks who are very good, we think . . . capable of winning a Super Bowl - I understand that needs to be proven. Donovan didn't do it. Kevin hasn't even tried yet. But at that point, it really became [a question of] one of them has a chance to lead us for the next eight to 10 years . . . one, who knows? One year? Four years? But a considerably shorter time."

Read more: How the Eagles moved on from McNabb | Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/25/2010
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"We weren't in a panic mode, because we could've waited another year and it could've played out that way - but if we waited a year, maybe there would've been much less market value for Donovan," Lurie said. "He wouldn't be under contract to us, so we probably would've had to franchise him to have market value."

"It wasn't an easy decision, just a slam dunk, for me," Reid said. "You've got to evaluate age and you've got to evaluate what's left in the tank, who has the upside and who doesn't. You want to make sure you got maximum value for your football team because I'm not into giving good players away. I don't want to do that.

"Brett Favre was the last big-time [quarterback] to go someplace, and Brett was a little bit older. Green Bay got a fourth-round pick for him, so if it was going to be Donovan McNabb, who I figured could probably pull the most for our organization, I wanted to make sure it was at least close to what he was worth."



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ANother thing, if the guy only has one trusted WR in preseason practice thus far,

Well first i would have to agree with Keim that their is only 1 trusted WR in practice which i don't.
I've heard good reports about Moss, Williams, Galloway and Austin not to mention Cooley and Davis.

do you really think it is going to all of a sudden be hunky dory come Sept 12 unless the other guys step it up?

Now it seems you kinda switched the convo from being about McNabb to being about the receiving corps.
And yes i think its going to be fine because i don't think anything is wrong.
Its training camp in a new scheme with some new receivers and with a new QB there are gonna be growing pains.
Again, i'm not going to follow the word of 1 sports media dude.

If it is August 20 and media guys or fellow posters covering camp practice report the same things then you should worry.

Nope still won't be worried.
We're talking about Donovan McNabb dude not a journeyman or a rookie.
You're not going to erase his history because of a couple bad practices.

If we have preseason game performances ala the Zorn era worry like crazy

Nope not even then.