2012 QB Prospects (Part 2)

[mauiRedskinbarn]

We need a QB so bad I say we go QB in round one and QB in round 5-7 for insurance
Like we did when we got Heath Shular and Good ol Gus F back in the day.
I vote RGIII in round 1 and either Austin Parish or Ryan Lindley in round 5 or 6
Hell I wouldn't be opposed to getting RGIII in round one and Tannehill in round 2 and have them battle for the job Shanahan style

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by mauiRedskinbarn

We need a QB so bad I say we go QB in round one and QB in round 5-7 for insurance
Like we did when we got Heath Shular and Good ol Gus F back in the day.
I vote RGIII in round 1 and either Austin Parish or Ryan Lindley in round 5 or 6
Hell I wouldn't be opposed to getting RGIII in round one and Tannehill in round 2 and have them battle for the job Shanahan style

I would break Shanny's arms if he went RGIII in rd 1 then Tannehill in rd 2

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I would break Shanny's arms if he went RGIII in rd 1 then Tannehill in rd 2

Don't worry he wont. What I would like to see is Shanny to get someone like Mat Moore or Mat Flynn, and Barkley or RGIII or who ever he rally wants, in the first round. I like Nick Foles as my back up to Barkley, but I think Shannahan will make a good choice drafting a QB. So I will trust in his choice, especialy after seeing Gabbert. I know he was not ready to be in a pro system, but they said the same thing about Newton.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Don't worry he wont. What I would like to see is Shanny to get someone like Mat Moore or Mat Flynn, and Barkley or RGIII or who ever he rally wants, in the first round. I like Nick Foles as my back up to Barkley, but I think Shannahan will make a good choice drafting a QB. So I will trust in his choice, especialy after seeing Gabbert. I know he was not ready to be in a pro system, but they said the same thing about Newton.

I know he won't.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I know he won't.

I knew you knew that. It just gave me a chance to ramble on, like an obsessed Redskins fan.

[SkinzWin]

I think we should draft Barkley 5th overall, and trade up to 7th to draft RGIII as an insurance policy. We can trade whichever one doesn't do as well like Philly has been doing with their second QB's....

[itvnetop]

Bark's now been snubbed for a Heisman finalist invite... with superior numbers over Luck (except for a completion percentage less than 1 percent lower), this may be one more reason he'd stay. Heisman, Natty, 2013 overall #1. Going for the Cam Newton triple.

Or take the money now and get to DC, please.

[skinsfaninok]

Landry is coming back if the street talk is right

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

True but Shanny is so tight lipped who knows what QB he will take.

[KI Skins Fan]

I look at this whole QB situation from the perspective that the Skins are a team in the second year of a total rebuild under Shanny. Sure, Shanny wouldn't admit to rebuilding and Bruce Allen even trotted out some tired old rhetoric by saying "the future is now". I mean, you didn't really believe that b.s., did you?

I think that saying or not saying certain things was done with the thought of not demotivating the players who had to play the games in 2011. I also think the comment that Shanny made about staking his reputation on Beck and Grossman was a case of extreme "coach speak" that slipped out while he was trying to defend the fact that the Skins didn't take a QB in the 2011 draft. He probably wished he hadn't said that the instant it came out of his mouth.

If the Skins didn't like any of the QB prospects in the 2011 draft then I see no reason why they should have drafted one since they knew full well that they were only in year two of a complete rebuild. The QB could wait until the 2012 draft.

They decided instead to trade down repeatedly and pick up as many good prospects as they could in 2011. And I think the strategy might work out for them. Firstly, I think we may have acquired some good prospects in Kerrigan, Jenkins, Hankerson, Helu. and possibly a couple of others. Secondly, I think most of us would agree that this figures to be a better QB class in 2012. Now, if the Skins fail to land a top QB in this draft, then I would say that management may not know what they're doing in regard to the QB position (with a few f-bombs tossed in).

I'm aware that some NFL executives like the idea of taking a young QB, albeit late, in nearly every draft. I'm not convinced of that as a strategy, but certainly the Skins could have done that in the last draft. They didn't. Nevertheless, it might not be a bad idea for the Skins to do that in this draft because there are a lot of decent QB prospects in this class. A young starter + veteran backup (Rex) + a young developmental QB would be a good thing, IMO.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I'm aware that some NFL executives like the idea of taking a young QB, albeit late, in nearly every draft. I'm not convinced of that as a strategy, but certainly the Skins could have done that in the last draft. They didn't. Nevertheless, it might not be a bad idea for the Skins to do that in this draft because there are a lot of decent QB prospects in this class. A young starter + veteran backup (Rex) + a young developmental QB would be a good thing, IMO.

Who besides Luck and maybe Barkley are said to be instant starters at the pro level? If we're lucky enough to land Barkley maybe he could start right away next year...but my word that's a tremendous amount of pressure to put on a 22 yr old lad!! D.C. Media. Mike and Kyle. A horde of desperate fans.

I think that's risky as hell and would be much more confident in a savvy, even surly lol, vet starting while our big gamble grows into the world, league, offense awhile. Problem is...who's that vet?! Probably Rex is that guy because we're not likely to spend our first pick and big FA money on QBs at the same time. Plus that new QB would be learning the system from the beginning (just like the rookie), so we'd be at an even bigger risk than with Grossman.

Moral of the story, Grossman is our QB for the time being...as...long...as...Mike's...here!!

I have more confidence in at least three available veteran coaches currently unemployed and at least that many coordinators who are probably a big part of the NFL through the rest of my lifetime.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Who besides Luck and maybe Barkley are said to be instant starters at the pro level? If we're lucky enough to land Barkley maybe he could start right away next year...but my word that's a tremendous amount of pressure to put on a 22 yr old lad!! D.C. Media. Mike and Kyle. A horde of desperate fans.

I think that's risky as hell and would be much more confident in a savvy, even surly lol, vet starting while our big gamble grows into the world, league, offense awhile. Problem is...who's that vet?! Probably Rex is that guy because we're not likely to spend our first pick and big FA money on QBs at the same time. Plus that new QB would be learning the system from the beginning (just like the rookie), so we'd be at an even bigger risk than with Grossman.

Moral of the story, Grossman is our QB for the time being...as...long...as...Mike's...here!!

I have more confidence in at least three available veteran coaches currently unemployed and at least that many coordinators who are probably a big part of the NFL through the rest of my lifetime.

I think that Luck and Barkley are the complete list of QB prospects who could start right away. That's why I think we may trade up for Barkley. If St. Louis finishes with the second worst record, we've got a chance to land him.

I want the Skins to keep Rex as a backup and I think he's a solid backup. Rex may even start the season next year if our (supposed) rookie phenom isn't quite ready. But, by now, we should all recognize that he's not likely to be an NFL starter much longer.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Who besides Luck and maybe Barkley are said to be instant starters at the pro level?

No offense, but the thought that people consider any QB prospect an instant starter at a pro-bowl level is patently absurd.

But there are some good prospects in this class.
I guess you're asking about pro-ready prospects that could start at some point in their rookie year?
You already mentioned Luck and Barkley.
Even though Griff, Weeden come from a spread I think they could start too.
Tannehill could also because of the system familiarity from his college offense.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by 30gut

No offense, but the thought that people consider any QB prospect an instant starter at a pro-bowl level is patently absurd.

I'm sure you've heard of Cam Newton and Andy Dalton? Luck, Barkley and possibly RGIII could be just as good or better next year.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I'm sure you've heard of Cam Newton and Andy Dalton? Luck, Barkley and possibly RGIII could be just as good or better next year.

Your making my point for me.
Show me 1 expert that thought Cam or Dalton would be as good as they are now?
Historically, its a 50-50 shot a QB prospect will even pan out.
I think we all start getting ahead of ourselves when we say that are sure: instant starters at a pro-bowl level.