Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I meant more as the Giants getting to play the Cowboys, of course I know the SB winner gets to play the first game genius.

....how is that more profitable then lets say opening against the Saints or Greenbay?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Giantone

In the past the Super Bowl winner has open the NFL season.

Wow, where the heck have you been? You come on here after it's announced the two teams are taking it to arbitration and make weird outragous comments of how no one agrees the Redskins and Cowboys are right in any of this or are siding with them. Several of us post links to media personell who all agree with the two teams and think this is all hogwash and how they believe in the long run the two teams will win this arbitration and your no where to be found. No comment. Simply ignored. Then you come to .... give a PSA about how in the past the SB winner has opened the NFL season?

I Giantone, hope you've had a nice couple of days. Just wanted to point out your were wrong by the way, its actually totally backwards in the fact the majority of the media and fans belive the Skins and Boys are right in all this. But I'll give you your props... the clueless owners belive the two teams are wrong in what they did and have amnesia in regards to their own collussion.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Wow, where the heck have you been? You come on here after it's announced the two teams are taking it to arbitration and make weird outragous comments of how no one agrees the Redskins and Cowboys are right in any of this or are siding with them. Several of us post links to media personell who all agree with the two teams and think this is all hogwash and how they believe in the long run the two teams will win this arbitration and your no where to be found. No comment. Simply ignored. Then you come to .... give a PSA about how in the past the SB winner has opened the NFL season?

I Giantone, hope you've had a nice couple of days. Just wanted to point out your were wrong by the way, its actually totally backwards in the fact the majority of the media and fans belive the Skins and Boys are right in all this. But I'll give you your props... the clueless owners belive the two teams are wrong in what they did and have amnesia in regards to their own collussion.

It's called employment as much as I know I'm missed I can't hang here all day.I said it before there must be something we don't know yet which will come out in the end of all this.As we know the media is right about everything so I'll just wait I mean 29-0 with 1 abstaining.... even after the media has proven them wrong,interesting.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Giantone

It's called employment as much as I know I'm missed I can't hang here all day.I said it before there must be something we don't know yet which will come out in the end of all this.As we know the media is right about everything so I'll just wait I mean 29-0 with 1 abstaining.... even after the media has proven them wrong,interesting.

What in the world would entice those teams to vote against the cap penalties? They received money from it. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Doesn't mean there is some other deep, dark secret thing that hasn't come out yet. As matter of fact, what does keep getting revealed continues to make the NFL look even worse.

[Dirtbag59]

I GOT IT! How about.....GATEGATE! It's an infinite scandal loop.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I GOT IT! How about.....GATEGATE! It's an infinite scandal loop.

Infinitygate?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I GOT IT! How about.....GATEGATE! It's an infinite scandal loop.

Hey! I already claimed gategate. I can't link to it but look in my previous posts.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by mooby

Hey! I already claimed gategate. I can't link to it but look in my previous posts.

No you stole my idea, edited your post and then removed the edit time stamp. Gategate anddddddddd MATCH! Bia bia why you acting like a......thing?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

No you stole my idea, edited your post and then removed the edit time stamp. Gategate anddddddddd MATCH! Bia bia why you acting like a......thing?

You will be receiving a cease and desist letter very soon from my attorney, Mr. JoeRedskin.

You've made a very powerful enemy, friend.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by mooby

You will be receiving a cease and desist letter very soon from my attorney, Mr. JoeRedskin.

You've made a very powerful enemy, friend.

Dear Dirtbag59:

Please CEASE & DESIST your use of the phrase "Gategate". Trademark and Copyright papers have been filed showing ownership of this intellectual property to belong solely to mooby. Continued use of the phrase gategate or any iteration thereof without proper attribution will result in civil penalties, possible avatar related modifications and the continued ridicule of you by me with lots of big words and some latin thrown in an ad hoc manner ad infinitum.

In addition, everyone will know you are a big fat weenie.

Mooby - you will be receiving my bill in your private messages.

[HoopheadVII]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

No you stole my idea, edited your post and then removed the edit time stamp. Gategate anddddddddd MATCH! Bia bia why you acting like a......thing?

If you keep arguing about it, it may become Gategategate.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by HoopheadVII

If you keep arguing about it, it may become Gategategate.

as long as its not SwingingGate

The Failure That Was the Redskins' Swinging Gate

[HoopheadVII]

The problem with this is that Goodell and/or the Management Council Executive Committee overstepped their authority by modifying the salary cap as a penalty, but the owners as a group have more authority. Goodell can fine up to $500k, suspend individuals or take draft picks. The MCEC reports to Goodell and has the authority to negotiate with the NFLPA on behalf of the NFL.

The Executive Committee however - made up of ownership reps of all 30 teams - can impose whatever penalties they want as long as 24 votes support it. The Commissioner reports to the Executive Committee. Since the two teams were asked to leave the room, I'm guessing the meeting yesterday wasn't an actual Exec Committee meeting, just a show of hands - but it doesn't bode well. Basically, there's nothing to be discussed in arbitration if the Exec Committee imposes penalties.

Plus, if the two teams involved fight it, Goodell does have the authority to take away draft picks - his nuclear option is no RG3.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by HoopheadVII

The problem with this is that Goodell and/or the Management Council Executive Committee overstepped their authority by modifying the salary cap as a penalty, but the owners as a group have more authority. Goodell can fine up to $500k, suspend individuals or take draft picks. The MCEC reports to Goodell and has the authority to negotiate with the NFLPA on behalf of the NFL.

The Executive Committee however - made up of ownership reps of all 30 teams - can impose whatever penalties they want as long as 24 votes support it. The Commissioner reports to the Executive Committee. Since the two teams were asked to leave the room, I'm guessing the meeting yesterday wasn't an actual Exec Committee meeting, just a show of hands - but it doesn't bode well. Basically, there's nothing to be discussed in arbitration if the Exec Committee imposes penalties.

Plus, if the two teams involved fight it, Goodell does have the authority to take away draft picks - his nuclear option is no RG3.

Given that it is now in the arbitrator's hands, I doubt any swift occurrence like loss of draft picks would occur before this year's draft.

And as has been said many times, you can't have a vote and make an invalid action valid. I don't care how many guys in a group vote to rob the nearest liquor store, the ones who opt not to rob it are in the right.

The reason the arbitration clause exists is to prevent situations where any one party or group has an undue ability to put their will into effect unchecked. The Skins and Cowboys certainly will have plenty to discuss with the arbitrator, regardless of whether the Executive Committee votes for penalties or not.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by HoopheadVII

The problem with this is that Goodell and/or the Management Council Executive Committee overstepped their authority by modifying the salary cap as a penalty, but the owners as a group have more authority. Goodell can fine up to $500k, suspend individuals or take draft picks. The MCEC reports to Goodell and has the authority to negotiate with the NFLPA on behalf of the NFL.

The Executive Committee however - made up of ownership reps of all 30 teams - can impose whatever penalties they want as long as 24 votes support it. The Commissioner reports to the Executive Committee. Since the two teams were asked to leave the room, I'm guessing the meeting yesterday wasn't an actual Exec Committee meeting, just a show of hands - but it doesn't bode well. Basically, there's nothing to be discussed in arbitration if the Exec Committee imposes penalties.

Plus, if the two teams involved fight it, Goodell does have the authority to take away draft picks - his nuclear option is no RG3.

Excellent info right there. Very well done.

But why just the Redskins and Cowboys? If this is a precedent that the NFL and the Executive Committee is establishing, then should not every contract extension, or, free agent signing RFA tender etc that was in the uncapped year be called into question?

I am sure the Skins and Cowboys were not the only 2 teams in the league that had contracts, in one way or the other, that used monies in the uncapped season? Why these 2 teams?

It is sounding more and more like a witch hunt to me.