Classless Coach Belichick

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

It's getting pretty testy in here. I think there are a few people who need a break from the keyboard.

Yeah and I think this thread is running it's course. There are firm opinions on either side and we basically need to agree to disagree at some point. There's really no need for some of the personal bickering that seems to be developing.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Yeah, because it wasn't obvious by midway through the 3rd quarter that we were going to lose. Did you really think we had any chance in hell to win the game after midway through the 3rd quarter? If so, pass the joint because I've been looking for some good s--t.



See my above response.



Unless you disagree with my points above, then Belichick needlessly exposed his players to injury. He did it for some other reason than to win.

I can't get inside Bill Belichick's brain. If you can, congrats. And I want some of your sh*t.

We can say now that we weren't going to score 34 points in one quarter because it didn't happen. Did Bill Belichick know that at the time? He probably thought it was unlikely, but at the time, anything could have happened. Do you think Dan Reeves thought it was likely that Doug Williams would have led his team to 35 points in the second quarter of Super Bowl XXII?

You say it was needless to leave his starters in at a point in time different than Bill Belichick. And you say that equates to running up the score.

Fine. I guess we disagree. I'd love to go on and on endlessly with this, but my lunch hour is long over.

[BDBohnzie]

I figured this horse would have been buried a few hours ago...but it continues to be beat into the ground. So I guess I'll take a few swings.

I've watched a few opinions on the Idiot Box, and have read comments in this thread and elsewhere. I've also stated my opinion on the issue in this thread...but I think I've slightly changed my outlook.

Belicheck gave a big F you to the entire league by going for it twice on 4th down with a huge lead. He made a statement that says we are going to roll with guns blazing for 60 minutes, and there isn't a damn thing anyone is going to do to stop us. The week before, his defense almost let a 1-5 divisional rival back into the game, and he put the kabosh on that. Against the Skins, he decided that he wasn't going to let up. It could have been the Colts, Jets, Bills, Eagles, Cowboys, Ohio State, South Florida, Millsaps, Trinity, Salisbury, or Kentucky School for the Blind...no matter who was on the other sideline, Belicheck was going to continue to put points on the board for 60 minutes. Just so happens, the Redskins were the victim.

The difference between 52-7 and 44-7 is 8 points. Belicheck decided that those 8 points were more important than being the "better person" and letting sleeping dogs lie. The trend is not to keep starters on the field to risk injury when the game is in hand. He kept starters out on the field for much longer than necessary to secure a win, because he wanted to send a message. He decided those 8 points were enough to stroke his ego, knowing that he had embarrassed his opponent, and to show the league what level he could "rise" to in order to be on top once again.

He made his point, and along the way, disrespected a hall of fame coach. And Belicheck could care less. Some teams decide to sit on the ball with a 38 point lead in the 4th, bring in guys who dont get to normally play and give them some playing time. Again, Belicheck could care less. He simply does not care who gets in his way between now and his next Lombardi Trophy. He just wants the damn thing, and will do whatever he thinks it will take to get it.

The Redskins in turn, rolled over and played dead instead of going balls to the wall for 60 minutes. They knew they were outmatched, and played in tune with that attitude. They decided that they were going to use this experience to prepare for the rest of the season...or so us fans hope. Ego and pride took a huge hit on Sunday, and we'll see in the weeks to come how it affects how this team prepares and executes.

Was the score run up? Yes. Without a doubt. One could argue that there is a time and place for these things. I personally dont think a non-conference game is such the time and place, but I'm not Belicheck. He decided that going for it on 4th down in the 4th quarter with the game well in hand was worth it. I say, so what? Chalk it up to a lesson well learned, and if a Gibbs coached team sees Belicheck again, you know damn well this will be remembered.

So, what becomes of this? Well, the Redskins have some ground to make up in regards to themselves. They have to dig deep and get past this 1 game and continue on, knowing that they are better than what they showed on the field this past Sunday.

The Patriots on the other hand, have put the league on notice. Roll over, and you will get squashed. You'll hear about the big game this coming weekend. 8-0 Patriots vs. 7-0 Colts. It's not too often an undefeated Super Bowl winner is an underdog this late in the year. The Colts are somewhere in the neighborhood of 5.5 point dogs...and it's only Tuesday. The Patriots are the big man on campus right now, and they have a huge bullseye on their backs. They will have to continue to play at such a high level in order to continue to be successful. There's a reason only 1 team in NFL history has completed a season undefeated...will the Patriots becomes the 2nd? Only the next 8+ games will tell us...

[mlmpetert]

Belicheck gave a big F you to the entire league by going for it twice on 4th down with a huge lead.

I dont get that part

[Hail2em]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?

quit f@@@@@ complaining. you're the one acting like you're 12. the game is over...been over and you're still bitchin about it. lmao...yeah im lmao because this is funny shit.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Hail2em

quit f@@@@@ complaining. you're the one acting like you're 12. the game is over...been over and you're still bitchin about it. lmao...yeah im lmao because this is funny shit.

This is a forum. We discuss things here -- good and bad. That's why this place was created. Usually we talk about the last game, until the next one comes along. Just because the game is over means nothing.

Why don't you just leave?

[birdz4gibbs]

we simply got our a$$es handed to us against the best team in football plain and simple..
bill did what he had to do to keep the edge and to keep his team focused on the task at hand..
this is how you beat the teams you should beat ..the patriots just simply put the skins in their places ...

on to new york..

[Hail2em]

lol tell me how i have insulted you better yet tell everybody seeing how you want to pm and threaten to boot me because i voiced my opinion and was lmao at you. Did that hurt you in some way or has the pats game got the best of you? and if you got something to say say it dont go behind closed doors and talk shit saying you're going to boot me just because i said quit f@@@@@@ complaining. what you're a big man just because you have over 6200 posts? lol and hey if you want to boot me there big guy go for it. Do you honestly think that would hurt me in anyway?


Sheriff Gonna Getcha? Looks like I Gotcha.

Grow up man please.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Hail2em

lol tell me how i have insulted you better yet tell everybody seeing how you want to pm and threaten to boot me because i voiced my opinion and was lmao at you. Did that hurt you in some way or has the pats game got the best of you? and if you got something to say say it dont go behind closed doors and talk shit saying you're going to boot me just because i said quit f@@@@@@ complaining. what you're a big man just because you have over 6200 posts? lol and hey if you want to boot me there big guy go for it. Do you honestly think that would hurt me in anyway?


Sheriff Gonna Getcha? Looks like I Gotcha.

Grow up man please.

First, as you nicely pointed out for me, I am going to boot you because of the tone of your posts, not because you disagree with me. I have actually given compliments to people in several threads today even though they disagree with me (e.g., dgack and GTripp). I have respect for others that voice their opinions in a respectful way. You simply deserve no respect because you show none.

Second, I sent you a PM because I didn't want to air dirty laundry and get others involved (besides the other mods who all saw my PM). But, I guess you just don't know what the PM function is there for.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?

Here's Belichicks reasoning:

The reason he was up 30 some points in the third quarter is because the Redskins made a bunch of mistakes. Belichick is a football coach. He is not responsible for his opponents mistakes. He is only responsible for making sure that his team executes in every faze of the game. They had not successfully executed a deep passing game against us until that point.

Score be damned. Belichick doesn't care if he's up 38-0. If his 1st team offense has failed in a facet of the game, he's going to work until they fix it. That's what he did. He was fixing prior mistakes for the game. I cannot fault him for doing his job better than anyone else.

Did he run up the score? Yes he did. Does he care that he ran up the score? No he does not. Was he trying to embarass the Redskins? No he was not.

If he was trying to embarass the Redskins, this would be a different issue. Being a perfectionist and striving for excellence is something totally different however.

[Hail2em]

all i can do is laugh at you man.

[GTripp0012]

I think the problem here is that people looked at the score and decided the game was won. Who cares about the score? If the score was so important, we should have left the field in the middle of the third quarter.

Tell me I'm not right here. If the score is the only thing that matters in football, why the heck did we play the last 20 minutes of that game?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Hail2em

all i can do is laugh at you man.

Got to love people who don't realize that no one cares about them.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the problem here is that people looked at the score and decided the game was won. Who cares about the score? If the score was so important, we should have left the field in the middle of the third quarter.

Tell me I'm not right here. If the score is the only thing that matters in football, why the heck did we play the last 20 minutes of that game?

Good point. I actually wanted Gibbs to pull some of the starters because, after seeing Rogers and McIntosh go down, I didn't want to risk any more injuries. But, that doesn't go to class, that goes to whether Gibbs was smart for keeping guys out there. And, to that, many in the game thread reasonably suggested that it might do damage to the players confidence if we pulled them. The same cannot be said of Belichick's players, as they were clearly going to leave the field confident.

[SmootSmack]

This thread has run its course...and then some

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