Broncos to trade Cutler

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Buster

I put little value on Cutler's "Pro Bowl" status. The voting was held before Denver's meltdown in the last month and really, other QBs like Rivers or Pennington were more deserving.

The Pro Bowl doesn't mean a whole lot. Is London Fletcher a bad LB because he's never been voted/chosen for a Pro Bowl? He's been one of the league's best LBers for a decade, but no Pro Bowl honors, which is a joke.

Check out Cutler's second-half game log from last season:

Jay Cutler - Denver Broncos - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

7 INTs and just 6 TDs in the last 6 games, QB rating of 78.15 over those games down the stretch...at least one pick in 13/16 games.

That's Pro Bowl material?

I agree the pro bowl is garbage...I just think he's shown a lot of promise at a young age. You can't play with the stats all you want to make Campbell look just as promising but when you watch the games you see that he's just not. If Cutler were not available I would want to see what Campbell could do this year but Cutler being available changes that in my mind.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by celts32

I agree the pro bowl is garbage...I just think he's shown a lot of promise at a young age. You can't play with the stats all you want to make Campbell look just as promising but when you watch the games you see that he's just not. If Cutler were not available I would want to see what Campbell could do this year but Cutler being available changes that in my mind.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

The problem is that the 25yr old pro Bowl QB is available now not next year. If JC doesn't improve enough for the redskins to resign him then we will be trying to find a replacement next year from far less appealing options. I am tired of being unstable at the QB position. I like JC a lot and I really wanted him to be the guy especialy since Joe Gibbs picked him, but it's just obvious the Redskins do not see him as that guy. So whether or not we get Cutler it's so obvious that unless JC throws 35 TD's next year he is not getting resigned.

Exactly. Looking at 2009 and only 2009, it makes complete sense to stick with Campbell. However, when we consider the strong possibility that for one reason or another Campbell wont be here in 2010 or beyond, it makes alot of sense to investigate other options now.

I have huge reservations about Cutler, but we would be fools not to atleast investigate him as a possibility.

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Hate to reference Peter King, but he just said on the Herd that he thinks Campbell is on the verge of being a top ten qb, and furthermore, if Snyder owned the Giants in 84, he would have gotten rid of Simms. Sad but likely true.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

Hate to reference Peter King, but he just said on the Herd that he thinks Campbell is on the verge of being a top ten qb, and furthermore, if Snyder owned the Giants in 84, he would have gotten rid of Simms. Sad but likely true.

Peter also said and I quote "I think Spurrier will win big"

[Monkeydad]

Hell NO!

[CRedskinsRule]

Cutler = the new Spurrier

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

1) I don't want to see us giving away more draft picks. I don't think the Broncos are going to get the two #1 picks they're asking for, but the price will be steep regardless. I'm guessing our #13 this year and another high rounder next year.

Finding a true franchise QB is one of the hardest things to do in football. The reported interest across the league in Cutler is astonishing. Evidently, alot of teams feel he can be a perennial pro-bowler for a very long time.

IF, and this is a huge IF because of his health concerns, Cutler came here and performed as everyone thinks and expects him to for 10 years, wouldnt that be worth a couple of first round picks? We've seen how often QBs taken in the draft - even in the top 5 picks - fail. Its very very hard to find a franchise QB in the draft. Its a complete gamble. Wouldnt two 1st round picks for a "sure thing" franchise QB be worth it? IMO, thats a bargain.

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

2) I think it would be a bad move for the locker room. JC is well liked and respected by his teammates. Cutler, at least character wise, is not on par with JC. I think this move would piss off a lot of guys in the locker room. Would they get over it and still play hard in the end? Sure. But it's these type of disruptive moves that keep the Redskins in perennial transition mode. Say hello to 8-8 again.

According to Smoot, Campbell isnt nearly as loved by his teammates as you think. Unless Cutler is a total douche and would play horribly here, I think the locker room effect would be a non-issue.

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

3) I can't for the life of me understand why they want to pull the plug on JC already. They're not even willing to see what he can do in year #2 under Zorn? That really boggles my mind. At least give him year #2 and if this year doesn't work out, don't re-sign him next year and then look at other options. I think this is jumping the gun and only shows that Snyder is reverting back to his pre-Gibbs days of looking for the splashy move and his overall lack of patience in putting together a long term winner.

I look at it this way - Whether or not Campbell plays well this year, theres probably a 90% or greater chance that Zorn is coaching his last season. Next year, Holmgreen, Gruden, Shanahan, and Cowher will all be available. Unless Zorn takes this team deep in the playoffs, Zorns gone after the season. Which means, even if Campbell plays extremely well, he'd almost certainly still have to learn a new system and start all over again in 2010.

The chances the stars will align and everything will playout "perfectly," with Zorn, Campbell, and the Redskins team performing well enough for Snyder (an owner known for his impatience) to have Zorn back for a 3rd year are very slim to none. With a more patient owner, one who doesnt feel the urge to make a big splash or mix things up nearly every year, things would be different. Like it or not, thats not the owner we have. In that context, it makes some sense to move Campbell now if we can get value for him - reguardless of whether we get Cutler or not.

[irish]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Finding a true franchise QB is one of the hardest things to do in football. The reported interest across the league in Cutler is astonishing. Evidently, alot of teams feel he can be a perennial pro-bowler for a very long time.

IF, and this is a huge IF because of his health concerns, Cutler came here and performed as everyone thinks and expects him to for 10 years, wouldnt that be worth a couple of first round picks? We've seen how often QBs taken in the draft - even in the top 5 picks - fail. Its very very hard to find a franchise QB in the draft. Its a complete gamble. Wouldnt two 1st round picks for a "sure thing" franchise QB be worth it? IMO, thats a bargain.


According to Smoot, Campbell isnt nearly as loved by his teammates as you think. Unless Cutler is a total douche and would play horribly here, I think the locker room effect would be a non-issue.


I look at it this way - Whether or not Campbell plays well this year, theres probably a 90% or greater chance that Zorn is coaching his last season. Next year, Holmgreen, Gruden, Shanahan, and Cowher will all be available. Unless Zorn takes this team deep in the playoffs, Zorns gone after the season. Which means, even if Campbell plays extremely well, he'd almost certainly still have to learn a new system and start all over again in 2010.

The chances the stars will align and everything will playout "perfectly," with Zorn, Campbell, and the Redskins team performing well enough for Snyder (an owner known for his impatience) to have Zorn back for a 3rd year are very slim to none. With a more patient owner, one who doesnt feel the urge to make a big splash or mix things up nearly every year, things would be different. Like it or not, thats not the owner we have. In that context, it makes some sense to move Campbell now if we can get value for him - reguardless of whether we get Cutler or not.

I have heard that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results. If the Skins change coaches again, they are the true definition of insanity.

[MTK]

What did Smoot say exactly?

[MTK]

Personally I would think if JC went out this year and had a quality season and the team went let's say 10-6 or better, Zorn would be safe. But then again who knows, it is the Redskins we're talking about.

[NYCSkin]

If you knew you did not want to resign Campbell right now--would it not make sense to make this trade for this and next year's first round picks? It would be a net loss of a first round pick the way I see it.

Snyder, Cerrato, and even Zorn knows they do not want to resign Campbell right now. He is in the bottom third of starting QBs when it comes to TDs, 40+ plays, and 20+ plays. He throws for under 6 yards per pass on average. Zorn wants to attack downfield and that is why Snyderatto hired him. Campbell is not explosive enough and this offense needs more explosive weapons.

Cutler is better at all those above variables that Zorn and the FO value. So might as well make this trade now--spending two #1's and get your guy in place or wait another year, not resign Campbell, and have to spend next year's #1 on another QB that needs to be groomed. Cutler has been groomed and plays in a system related to our WCO. I know we have other needs but we need to score points in this league. The rules are so stacked now to be pro-offense yet the Skins have been painful to watch on offense for years (not counting the games with Todd Collins). I think Cutler will address that better, despite the cost, than having Campbell/a rookie OL or LB...

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by NYCSkin

If you knew you did not want to resign Campbell right now--would it not make sense to make this trade for this and next year's first round picks? It would be a net loss of a first round pick the way I see it.

Snyder, Cerrato, and even Zorn knows they do not want to resign Campbell right now. He is in the bottom third of starting QBs when it comes to TDs, 40+ plays, and 20+ plays. He throws for under 6 yards per pass on average. Zorn wants to attack downfield and that is why Snyderatto hired him. Campbell is not explosive enough and this offense needs more explosive weapons.

Cutler is better at all those above variables that Zorn and the FO value. So might as well make this trade now--spending two #1's and get your guy in place or wait another year, not resign Campbell, and have to spend next year's #1 on another QB that needs to be groomed. Cutler has been groomed and plays in a system related to our WCO. I know we have other needs but we need to score points in this league. The rules are so stacked now to be pro-offense yet the Skins have been painful to watch on offense for years (not counting the games with Todd Collins). I think Cutler will address that better, despite the cost, than having Campbell/a rookie OL or LB...

If we had Cutler, Brandon Lloyd would've caught that pass and still been a threat with us




























sorry haha

[NYCSkin]

Correction: meant to write that Campbell throws for under 7 yards per pass...

[Monkeydad]

Cutler: "I really didn't want this!" (WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!)

Cutler: "I really didn't want this" - The Denver Post

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told FoxSports. "I didn't want to get traded. That wasn't me. They had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback, and then they didn't. I really didn't want this. I love Denver. I really like my teammates. I didn't want it to get this far."




I'm glad the Jets are now considered to be "aggressively" pursuing this baby too. Hopefully they can beat us out for him. Tampa Bay could get him too, as they almost did in the original trade that started this drama.

Jets "prepared to enter a bidding war".
Jets show they are Mile High about Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler




Can we actually afford Cutler under the cap? Campbell makes very little for a starting QB.