Skins vs. Cards, Pre-Season week 4 Gameday thread

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You know I under stand AH has brought this on himself but to have him playing in the 4th qtr of this game was pretty stupid. AH at 3/4 speed is better then 90% in the NFL and it almost seems that Sh. was trying to embarrass him. He also said that AH might not play against Dallas and might not even be on the roster for the game.

I'd like to see Shanahan concentrate more on finding positive ways to motivate the player as opposed to the displayed method of agitation, alienation and humiliation. There's no winners in that type of approach.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I'd like to see Shanahan concentrate more on finding positive ways to motivate the player as opposed to the displayed method of agitation, alienation and humiliation. There's no winners in that type of approach.

The America's Game clip from the Bronco's 2nd SB shows a lot of positive motivation techniques, and I am sure he is using a lot now. AH simply got on the wrong side of the stick, and now I am guessing, at least for the beginning of the season he is gonna see more and more positives.

I also don't think you can't use positive motivation on an entitled person, because they see themselves as deserving of any positive relief or praise you give them.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The America's Game clip from the Bronco's 2nd SB shows a lot of positive motivation techniques, and I am sure he is using a lot now. AH simply got on the wrong side of the stick, and now I am guessing, at least for the beginning of the season he is gonna see more and more positives.

I also don't think you can't use positive motivation on an entitled person, because they see themselves as deserving of any positive relief or praise you give them.

Would be interesting to know just what positive forms of motivation have been thus far utilized in an attempt to change the mindset of the player. I do know that all players are not motivated the same way and you cannot always use a collective approach when attempting to do so. Some players have to be treated a little different sometimes in order to get the maximum out of them. It' the coaches responsibility to know how to accomplish that. To continue to methodically infuriate an already infuriated player is not the best method of getting the player to play to his maximum potential. There are better methods IMO that if utilized could bring about a better, or more positive outcome.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You know I under stand AH has brought this on himself but to have him playing in the 4th qtr of this game was pretty stupid. AH at 3/4 speed is better then 90% in the NFL and it almost seems that Sh. was trying to embarrass him. He also said that AH might not play against Dallas and might not even be on the roster for the game.

Ok. Mike Shanahan never said AH was going to miss the opener against the Dallas Cowboys.

JLC stated he spoke to "someone" in the organization that said that AH might not play week one.

Now I have stated this in another thread, and to be honest I do not know why anyone would believe that our best Dlineman will miss our biggest home game of the year. And Coach Mike's Redskins debut.

Coach wants to win this game as he does the other 15 regualr season games. There is NOW WAY (unless he loses a limb between now and then) AH is not lining up at RE to start the Sunday Night game against Dallas. Especially now that he went out and played the enitrely most meaningless game of the year from start to finish.

AH, DM will both start come the 12th of September and will dominate.

Heard it hear first, don't believe anything you read or hear. These two stars will be there against the Girls.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You know I under stand AH has brought this on himself but to have him playing in the 4th qtr of this game was pretty stupid. AH at 3/4 speed is better then 90% in the NFL and it almost seems that Sh. was trying to embarrass him. He also said that AH might not play against Dallas and might not even be on the roster for the game.

Let me say that what I saw of AH in the 3rd and 4th quarter did not look anywhere near 90% better then anyone in the NFL. On one play I saw the offense line up and AH standing straight up hands on hips huffing and puffing. When he finally got in his stance he looked awkward. Then the ball was snapped and all he did was stand up, put his hands on the Center, and tried to bully push him back which didn't work. The guy took one step back and held his ground. AH gave up at that point.

Clearly AH was tired but he definitly was not using his technique due to being tired. Now if the team can frequently change Kemo and AH out so they stay fresh is the best idea I have at this point. Otherwise any long drives by a good offense will have AH taking plays off.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You know I under stand AH has brought this on himself but to have him playing in the 4th qtr of this game was pretty stupid. AH at 3/4 speed is better then 90% in the NFL and it almost seems that Sh. was trying to embarrass him. He also said that AH might not play against Dallas and might not even be on the roster for the game.

[MTK]

I think last night was AH's final test. Get through an entire game, and not bitch about it afterwards. Mission seems to have been accomplished. Fair or not, the guy DID miss a lot of offseason work. I think there was more to this than the coaches just trying to punish him.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think last night was AH's final test. Get through an entire game, and not bitch about it afterwards. Mission seems to have been accomplished. Fair or not, the guy DID miss a lot of offseason work. I think there was more to this than the coaches just trying to punish him.

Parked in Redskins Park this morning:

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Parked in Redskins Park this morning:

So Haynesworth won't be in game shape for another 9 years? :-D

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So Haynesworth won't be in game shape for another 9 years? :-D

too funny

[MTK]

DL Albert Haynesworth: Haynesworth isn’t on the bubble—the Redskins’ defense needs him—but he took another step forward tonight. He played 49 of 55 snaps, unofficially, which is a higher percentage that he played overall last season. Even though it was shocking to see a player with his resume on the field in the fourth quarter of the preseason finale, Haynesworth continued to give quality effort on plays. He made three of his four tackles in the fourth quarter and often (by his standard, anyway) displayed his power against guys he should dominate. He probably wasn’t happy about having to play so much in this game, but he helped himself by not commenting to reporters afterward.

Redskins Journal

[CRedskinsRule]

I don't know, I think if a player plays best angry, than infuriating him, and pointing him at the opposite team would be a good idea.

On the other hand Shanahan hasn't had a lot of success converting an infuriated player into a valued team player, so maybe AH just has to be written off. Only time will tell

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't know, I think if a player plays best angry, than infuriating him, and pointing him at the opposite team would be a good idea.

On the other hand Shanahan hasn't had a lot of success converting an infuriated player into a valued team player, so maybe AH just has to be written off. Only time will tell

Certainly Shanahan knows by now AH is a disgruntled, malcontent. A nonconformist who hasn't been willing on his own, to buy-in [so to speak] and become a team player for the betterment of everyone concerned.

Now, the number one question on Shanahan's mind should be: How do I go about properly inspiring a player with unlimited potential to perform to that potential. There's nothing wrong with a coach taking a softer stand sometime if in so doing he can achieve his desired result. There are different ways to motivate and inspire [depending on the individual] the wise and successful coaches know what buttons to push and when to push them to accompish their intended goals. This fire could have been extinguished long ago.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

^^ That is funny!! ^^

Paintrain.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

The other thing that you have to remember is we are talking about the 4th preseason game of the year. Him not giving 100% effort in this game does not surprise me at all.

I think we all need to wait till the 12th to fully understand how AH is going to play in this defense. Lets not get to ahead of ourselves.

My point was not to break down everything he did last night, but was more of a general observation.

This guy is going to be fine in 10 days, and winning will make this guy even better.

People keep asking what motivates Albert to play well, I think it is the belief that the team will win games and not only that actually winning games.

Look at this comments from the last 2 games (excluding game 4). After the Ravens he was mad because he had to play in a losing effort in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

After the Jets game he was up beat and joking. Winning is AHs motivation.

If this team can get off to a good start especially beating the crap out of the Cowboys, I predict we will see a very motivated player.