Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The idea that John Beck could be an effective starting QB for the Redskins is absolutely ridiculous. That Mike Shanahan would insult my intelligence by attempting to get me to believe in such a fraud offends me.

I simply cannot imagine that the Skins plan to go into next season with Beck as their starting QB. I think that Shanahan is trying to be sly to the point of seeming to be daft. I feel certain that our starting QB for 2012 is not yet on the roster.

I think this sums it up well

Is Shanahan serious about John Beck? - NFC East Blog - ESPN

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think this sums it up well

Is Shanahan serious about John Beck? - NFC East Blog - ESPN

The author admits he's a skeptic and did have this to say which would seem very much in line with those who think Beck could be more than just a smoke-screen. [quote]

It may be that they're resigned to Beck as the best option and figured, after not coming up with a better option via the draft, that they might as well prepare their fans for it. With the chances increasing by the day that part or even all of the season will be lost to the lockout, it may be that Shanahan doesn't think it's worth installing a new quarterback this year. All of those missed minicamp and training camp practices would represent lost opportunities to work with a new guy. Maybe it's best just to sit around for a year and see if you're in position to draft Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck into a full offseason. [unquote]

Let's just hope he does not play the season for Andrew Luck. I know the idea would pacify the many Luck apologist.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The idea that John Beck could be an effective starting QB for the Redskins is absolutely ridiculous. That Mike Shanahan would insult my intelligence by attempting to get me to believe in such a fraud offends me.

I simply cannot imagine that the Skins plan to go into next season with Beck as their starting QB. I think that Shanahan is trying to be sly to the point of seeming to be daft. I feel certain that our starting QB for 2012 is not yet on the roster.

This is one of those cases were preseason games will be most important. However at the very least Beck had a strong preseason in 09 after he reconnected with Cameron, so maybe we'll see a huge improvement in year 2 of the Shanny offense. All the basic tools are there; accuracy, arm strength, quick release, decent mobility, intangibles (toughness, intelligence, hard worker, good teammate). All that remains to be seen is weather or not he can put it all together.

Though I agree with your sentiment that it's not exactly the greatest situation to be in as far as the QB position is concerned. However the way I see it is that McNabb didn't really set the bar very high and we still won six games so with a hungry QB, an improved running game, and a much improved defense we should be able to continue getting better as a team.

Either way, rag tag teams that grind out wins with defense and the running game are fun to follow until you hit the playoffs in which case you have to deal with teams that are equipped with elite QB's and top 15 defenses.

[Longtimefan]

McNabb appears to take the high road here. It's plain to see however he does not take kindly to the criticism he's been receiving of late.

McNabb: No problem with Beck’s comments - The Insider - The Washington Post

[Longtimefan]

Rex Grossman weighs in on Quarterback Controversy Lite - The Early Lead - The Washington Post

[NC_Skins]

Why are people really hating on Beck? The guy was a highly rated talent that hasn't had a decent opportunity to play. This isn't like he's played 3 years and absolutely sucked, much like VY has. (or at least Jeff Fischer thinks so)

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why are people really hating on Beck? The guy was a highly rated talent that hasn't had a decent opportunity to play. This isn't like he's played 3 years and absolutely sucked, much like VY has. (or at least Jeff Fischer thinks so)

He's unproven and his name is not Manning, Brady or Brees. However, I am in favor of a competition, the position shouldn't be handed to him.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

He's unproven and his name is not Manning, Brady or Brees. However, I am in favor of a competition, the position shouldn't be handed to him.

Two words. Kyle Orton.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

He's unproven and his name is not Manning, Brady or Brees. However, I am in favor of a competition, the position shouldn't be handed to him.

I agree with you. The position should be won out by Beck if he's going to start. Also, Manning, Brady and Brees where unproven until they got their chance as well.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I agree with you. The position should be won out by Beck if he's going to start. Also, Manning, Brady and Brees where unproven until they got their chance as well.

Belichick even claims that they were tempted to go with Brady coming out of camp the year Bledsoe lost his job, but the only thing that held them back was Tom's inexperience. Take it for what it's worth.

Actually I will say this at Beck. I've been looking at 1st and 2nd round bust the past week and almost all of them it was easy to explain why they failed. Here's what I came up. Remember hindsight is 20/20.

David Carr - Inexperience. Started only two years in a mid major.

Joey Harrington - Sub 60% passer in a west coast offense. That should have been a huge red flag.

Marques Tuiasosopo - Numbers made fellow Washington Alum Jake Locker look all world. Shouldn't have even been drafted before the 7th round.

Quincy Carter - Numbers make Tuiasosopo look All-World. Completed under 50% of his passes his senior year with a 6:10 TD:Int Ratio

Patrick Ramsey - 2 year starter sub 60% passer.

Byron Leftwish - Had virtually everything. Arm strength, intangibles, production, experience. Even started his career well leading Jacksonville to 9-7 and 12-4 records. However injuries started to pile up, and combined with his slow release and non-existent mobility he lost his job.

Kyle Boller - Lol

Rex Grossman - Well he made it to the Super Bowl but his TD:Int ratio was a little high his final year at Florida. 22:17

JP Losman - Another inexperienced big arm passer with no accuracy.

Alex Smith - Spread QB that didn't start enough games. On one hand probably should have stayed in school on the other hand he's now financially secure.

Jason Campbell - Sorry don't recognize that name.

Matt Leinart - Should have made it. Played enough games, was productive, experienced in a pro style offense. However McShay has said the two biggest reasons for bust are injury and character problems. Leinart fell victim to the latter. Now a days his confidence his shot to hell. Captain Checkdown is an understatement. He's more like Admiral Checkdown or General Checkdown. Maybe President Checkdown.

Okay this is dragging on. I guess Beck might have just been in a bad situation at Miami. On paper he should succeed. He's intelligent, hard working, strong armed (second strongest arm at 2007 combine via radar gun), didn't start his college career as the most accurate passer (56% first year as a starter) but then experienced a quantum leap in years 3 and 4 (64.5 and 69.3). He also worked under Center and started for 3 years. He showed anticipation on throws. He could move enough to buy time.

Basically the only two knocks were he wasn't the worlds tallest QB (6'2) and he didn't play in the SEC. Oh and he was old when he came out.

He basically had everything you look for in a college QB so the only reason I can guess as to why he flamed out in Miami is because he was on one of the worst teams in NFL history. I mean sure he didn't win a game as a rookie but the other Miami QB's combined for 1 win, and Trent Green started 5 games for them that year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Belichick even claims that they were tempted to go with Brady coming out of camp the year Bledsoe lost his job, but the only thing that held them back was Tom's inexperience. Take it for what it's worth.

Actually I will say this at Beck. I've been looking at 1st and 2nd round bust the past week and almost all of them it was easy to explain why they failed. Here's what I came up. Remember hindsight is 20/20.

David Carr - Inexperience. Started only two years in a mid major.

Joey Harrington - Sub 60% passer in a west coast offense. That should have been a huge red flag.

Marques Tuiasosopo - Numbers made fellow Washington Alum Jake Locker look all world. Shouldn't have even been drafted before the 7th round.

Quincy Carter - Numbers make Tuiasosopo look All-World. Completed under 50% of his passes his senior year with a 6:10 TD:Int Ratio

Patrick Ramsey - 2 year starter sub 60% passer.

Byron Leftwish - Had virtually everything. Arm strength, intangibles, production, experience. Even started his career well leading Jacksonville to 9-7 and 12-4 records. However injuries started to pile up, and combined with his slow release and non-existent mobility he lost his job.

Kyle Boller - Lol

Rex Grossman - Well he made it to the Super Bowl but his TD:Int ratio was a little high his final year at Florida. 22:17

JP Losman - Another inexperienced big arm passer with no accuracy.

Alex Smith - Spread QB that didn't start enough games. On one hand probably should have stayed in school on the other hand he's now financially secure.

Jason Campbell - Sorry don't recognize that name.

Matt Leinart - Should have made it. Played enough games, was productive, experienced in a pro style offense. However McShay has said the two biggest reasons for bust are injury and character problems. Leinart fell victim to the latter. Now a days his confidence his shot to hell. Captain Checkdown is an understatement. He's more like Admiral Checkdown or General Checkdown. Maybe President Checkdown.

Okay this is dragging on. I guess Beck might have just been in a bad situation at Miami. On paper he should succeed. He's intelligent, hard working, strong armed (second strongest arm at 2007 combine via radar gun), didn't start his college career as the most accurate passer (56% first year as a starter) but then experienced a quantum leap in years 3 and 4 (64.5 and 69.3). He also worked under Center and started for 3 years. He showed anticipation on throws. He could move enough to buy time.

Basically the only two knocks were he wasn't the worlds tallest QB (6'2) and he didn't play in the SEC. Oh and he was old when he came out.

He basically had everything you look for in a college QB so the only reason I can guess as to why he flamed out in Miami is because he was on one of the worst teams in NFL history. I mean sure he didn't win a game as a rookie but the other Miami QB's combined for 1 win, and Trent Green started 5 games for them that year.

Beck was a 25 year old senior playing against 18-21 year olds in the MWC. His attributes were more developed and defined than anyone he was playing against at that level. That's an advantage he will never have at the NFL level.

Beck has the raw physical tools to succeed in the NFL, but he's been on an NFL roster longer than (to put a name out there) Tony Romo was before he was put in the starting lineup. I wouldn't put too much stock in the 2007 season in Miami: Beck was worse than Cleo Lemon, but again, it was three years ago. But also: it was three years ago. And Beck, with all his advantages (second round pick, live arm, college productivity) wasn't able to make positive progress on an NFL depth chart in a very long period of time.

So it's not like we know nothing about John Beck. We'll learn more if we play him, but you kind of already know what to expect.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why are people really hating on Beck? The guy was a highly rated talent that hasn't had a decent opportunity to play. This isn't like he's played 3 years and absolutely sucked, much like VY has. (or at least Jeff Fischer thinks so)

Rookie of the Year

Two Pro Bowls

30-17 career record as a starter

.....yeah, he sucks!!!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Rookie of the Year

Two Pro Bowls

30-17 career record as a starter

.....yeah, he sucks!!!

You are using the "Pro-bowl" as your proof he's good?

NFL Stats: by Player Position

I challenge you to look through the years starting with 2006 and see where he ranks (in AFC alone) in terms of QB. He's not even remotely close to the other QBs. Hell, Garrard is a better QB than Young. The only way he got into the Pro-Bowl is if Brady, Rivers, Manning, Palmer, Garrard, etc decline the Pro-bowl invite. As far as that record goes, sure that had nothing to do with a top notch defense and a guy who rushes for 2,000 yards. Nope. Fischer nor Chow wanted to draft Young at the time. You can thank Bud Adams for that fiasco.

Also, that Rookie of the Year crap was a sham.


51.5 completion %, 12 TDs, 13 Ints, 2199 yards, 66.7 QB rating

....compared to this rookies numbers

941 yards rushing, 5.7 avg, 15 TDs, 46 receptions, 436 yards receiving


Now who do you think deserved Rookie of the Year? I"m going with Maurice Jones Drew. Stop buying the smoke they are blowing up your ass. It's all hype.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You are using the "Pro-bowl" as your proof he's good?

Not that I'm agreeing necessarily with you anti-VY stance, but I do agree that Redskin fans especially should see how much of a crock the Pro Bowl can be.

Anyway at the very least he does win games, even if they're mostly against cup cakes, and he does have the physical tools. I think with us the perfect situation right now is a two year contract where he learns for most of year 1, and if things go to hell again get a Grossman like tryout near the end.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Not that I'm agreeing necessarily with you anti-VY stance, but I do agree that Redskin fans especially should see how much of a crock the Pro Bowl can be.

Anyway at the very least he does win games, even if they're mostly against cup cakes, and he does have the physical tools. I think with us the perfect situation right now is a two year contract where he learns for most of year 1, and if things go to hell again get a Grossman like tryout near the end.

I've seen where Young is great. I haven't seen it from Beck. Yes, Young is unpredictable and who knows how he'd handle the pressure here. But give me high-risk, high-reward over medium risk-medium reward anytime.

I'd like to see them re-sign Grossman and sign Young. Start Grossman until they feel Young is ready then drop Rex to #3 and start Young with Beck as the #2. Then next year let Rex walk and draft a young QB to be the #3 and QB of the future.

I mean honestly I don't want Beck in the equation, but I don't think he's going anywhere even if he's not starting