Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[skinsguy]

Welcome Starry Plough! I'm in the category of keeping Mike Shanahan for at least his last season. My thoughts seem to be that Mike is "hands off" when it comes to the defense. I'm sure he has some input into bringing defensive personnel to the team, but I tend to believe that he relies heavily on Jim Haslett to take care of that side of the ball. I might be completely wrong on that, but it seems that way considering how much more improved the offense is compared to the defense.

When Joe Gibbs was coaching in his second tenure, the main complaint amongst many Redskins fans here was that his offense was anemic. The defense was always a top 10 defense [Gregg Williams being the DC] that kept the Redskins in every game they played, but the offense was unspectacular. We even had fans saying they'd rather see the Redskins lose but put up 30+ points and be entertained than what they were seeing out of Joe Gibbs' teams.

With that said, we ['skins fans] have gotten what we have asked for. An offense that can move the ball easily and put up points, an offense that entertains us and is spectacular, but a team that still finds ways to lose games. I would probably ask those 'skins fans who were the loudest boo birds during the Gibbs' era, how entertained are you now?

Where I think Mike's downfall lies is that he expects the defensive coordinator to be in full control; to bring in the guys on defense he wants, to bring in the defensive philosophy that he feels works best, and to have the defense playing top ten football. That hasn't happened. So, do we blame Mike Shanahan for the defense, or do we blame the front office for supplying Mike with Jim Haslett? I guess that is the real question. If it was the front office telling Mike that Jim is the best option, roll with Haslett and see what he can do for you, then I find it difficult to blame Shanahan for Haslett's inability to improve the defense.

That's why I feel the 'skins keep Mike Shanahan with the caveat that Jim Haslett is jettisoned by the end of the season in favor of a better defensive coordinator, or that if the 'skins keep Jim Haslett on, Mike Shanahan becomes more involved on the defensive side of the ball, because obviously Haslett needs help.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Welcome Starry Plough! I'm in the category of keeping Mike Shanahan for at least his last season. My thoughts seem to be that Mike is "hands off" when it comes to the defense. I'm sure he has some input into bringing defensive personnel to the team, but I tend to believe that he relies heavily on Jim Haslett to take care of that side of the ball. I might be completely wrong on that, but it seems that way considering how much more improved the offense is compared to the defense.

When Joe Gibbs was coaching in his second tenure, the main complaint amongst many Redskins fans here was that his offense was anemic. The defense was always a top 10 defense [Gregg Williams being the DC] that kept the Redskins in every game they played, but the offense was unspectacular. We even had fans saying they'd rather see the Redskins lose but put up 30+ points and be entertained than what they were seeing out of Joe Gibbs' teams.

With that said, we ['skins fans] have gotten what we have asked for. An offense that can move the ball easily and put up points, an offense that entertains us and is spectacular, but a team that still finds ways to lose games. I would probably ask those 'skins fans who were the loudest boo birds during the Gibbs' era, how entertained are you now?

Where I think Mike's downfall lies is that he expects the defensive coordinator to be in full control; to bring in the guys on defense he wants, to bring in the defensive philosophy that he feels works best, and to have the defense playing top ten football. That hasn't happened. So, do we blame Mike Shanahan for the defense, or do we blame the front office for supplying Mike with Jim Haslett? I guess that is the real question. If it was the front office telling Mike that Jim is the best option, roll with Haslett and see what he can do for you, then I find it difficult to blame Shanahan for Haslett's inability to improve the defense.

That's why I feel the 'skins keep Mike Shanahan with the caveat that Jim Haslett is jettisoned by the end of the season in favor of a better defensive coordinator, or that if the 'skins keep Jim Haslett on, Mike Shanahan becomes more involved on the defensive side of the ball, because obviously Haslett needs help.

Gibbs 2.0 is a big part of why this organization is still playing talent catch-up.

[MTK]

I'm still on the fence, I think the team needs to show something in these last 7 games.

[MTK]

Gibbs second run was ages ago in football terms. Time to put that in the rearview. What's happened in the last 3-4 years is much more relevant.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Gibbs second run was ages ago in football terms. Time to put that in the rearview. What's happened in the last 3-4 years is much more relevant.

Of course its more relevant because its more recent but instead of helping to dig the Skins out of the hole, Gibbs 2.0 dig it even deeper.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Of course its more relevant because its more recent but instead of helping to dig the Skins out of the hole, Gibbs 2.0 dig it even deeper.

What sort of long term effects are we still feeling from 6 years ago?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

What sort of long term effects are we still feeling from 6 years ago?

Its all those given away draft picks and young players that might have been Skins who might now be leaders on this team. Of course its impossible to know what might have been I feel like the Skins could have built their future through the draft and develop their team the way other successful teams do. Kind of like compounded interest on a savings account.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Its all those given away draft picks and young players that might have been Skins who might now be leaders on this team. Of course its impossible to know what might have been I feel like the Skins could have built their future through the draft and develop their team the way other successful teams do. Kind of like compounded interest on a savings account.

Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by irish

Of course its more relevant because its more recent but instead of helping to dig the Skins out of the hole, Gibbs 2.0 dig it even deeper.

Man your talking about ancient history. The Saints went from 3-13 to SB champions in the span of 4 years, I think that shows just how quick you can turn things around in the NFL. If Gibbs did mess up the roster that badly, which he didn't, we've easily had more than enough time to turn it around. Fletcher and Moss are the only two players remaining from that era.

[skinsfaninok]

Gibbs took the team to 2 playoff appearances

[diehardskin2982]

Some of the positions coaches need to go. Slowik should not be coaching linebackers and really doesn't have a place on this staff unless its special teams coach. Kerrigan and Rack have regressed IMO. Mike Singletary or Monte Coleman, Someone who played the position and talk about secondary move to get to the QB

[diehardskin2982]

Or Manny Diaz formerly of Texas would be a good add

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Or Manny Diaz formerly of Texas would be a good add

[The Goat]

The cap hit, previous regime mistakes, or anything else "circumstantial" has absolutely no bearing on team preparedness, discipline, intensity, clock management, current coaching failures (play-calling, scheme). In those categories, we're among the very worst in the league, and again they have nothing to do with anything pre-Shanahan.

But some of you are right, you/I/we don't know what the problem is at Redskins park or how it gets solved. The problem, and this really is what coaching is all about, is it looks less and less like anyone currently on staff knows how to fix it either. Week after week, season after season, we the same piss poor stuff.

[donofriose]

You know who the one person who has consistently been there through terrible signings, coaching changes and teams playing terribly...

Daniel Snyder

But how about we see what Shanahan does for the rest of the season, if he finishes with a record around .500 like 7-9 or 8-8 and the team looks good, I think he bought himself one more year. If he finishes 5-11 or worst he needs to go. That is just my opinion on the matter.