RG3 and Gruden?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

Problem is, Kirk doesn't give us the best chance to win

If we're being completely honest, Colt gives us the best chance to win of the three we have right now.

Kirk only beat the Jaguars, probably the worst team in the league, in all the other games he was either mediocre or horrendous

He had a heck of a game against Philly

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He had a heck of a game against Philly

He threw that Interception that resulted in Philly's FG that decided the game. (Stuff like that where he kills the teams chances is his flaw)

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

only in the world of the internet does someone saying "kirk gives us the best chance to win" actually mean "kirk is a football god".

nothing is absolute or black and white.

circular discussions like this for the next 8 months until TC starts and everyone will peg the skins as potential playoff team.

rinse, wash, repeat.

I strongly doubt that anything done this offseason will have anyone reasonable pegging the Skins as a potential playoff team.

The cleanest thing (which may not be the best thing) would be a coaching and QB reset. As much of a fan of RG3 as I am, I think he'd be better off somewhere else because next offseason will (AGAIN) be all about him. Even though I've got serious doubts about him, if Gruden is indeed coming back I'd rather have him let Cousins and McCoy battle it out. Even typing that sentence depresses me.

[DYoungJelly]

Cooley's 30 minute film breakdown of the offense from the NY game should be required listening.

ESPN 980 - WASHINGTON D.C.

He really goes into comparing McCoy's and Griffin's tendencies. Very telling.

He notes that Griffin does well with plenty of time to throw and concedes the current offensive line can't give him 6 seconds to throw.

Not sure anybody but Dallas can pull that off right now.

[Rotten1980]

When did Cooley become the guru everybody looks to for analysis? Still waiting to hear explanation what the fuck the "yips" are lol

RG works best outside the pocket best right now, like it or not. He still misses open receivers, so do a lot of QBs. His technique breaks down under pressure.

All of the above, and he's still the best QB on the roster assuming all were healthy and happy. And scheme/playcalling can minimize his weaknesses, a lot. The funny thing is scheme and playcalling should already look that way based on the REST of the offense, not RG. We have a bruiser RB who doesn't get enough carries to get warm even. We have a smallish, quicker line built to move (like on bootlegs, rollouts and screens) not stand in a perfect half circle to make a pocket.

I've never seen a pro HC work so hard to minimize his teams talents and expose the weaknesses. Not talking Gruden vs RG here. Gruden vs Redskins football team.

Like others have said, looks like he's trying to get fired, if you know what your watching when the ball is snapped.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

When did Cooley become the guru everybody looks to for analysis? Still waiting to hear explanation what the fuck the "yips" are lol

RG works best outside the pocket best right now, like it or not. He still misses open receivers, so do a lot of QBs. His technique breaks down under pressure.

All of the above, and he's still the best QB on the roster assuming all were healthy and happy. And scheme/playcalling can minimize his weaknesses, a lot. The funny thing is scheme and playcalling should already look that way based on the REST of the offense, not RG. We have a bruiser RB who doesn't get enough carries to get warm even. We have a smallish, quicker line built to move (like on bootlegs, rollouts and screens) not stand in a perfect half circle to make a pocket.

I've never seen a pro HC work so hard to minimize his teams talents and expose the weaknesses. Not talking Gruden vs RG here. Gruden vs Redskins football team.

Like others have said, looks like he's trying to get fired, if you know what your watching when the ball is snapped.

Pro bowl TE that played a long time in the league at a high level that seems to know what is going on on the field and in the organization from having been there and experiencing it. I guess I don't think it is a stretch that he knows what he is talking about.

Availability is also a factor for his guru status. He does a weekly film breakdown on the offense and defense. I would probably listen to the Rotten1980 film breakdown if there was one to see if it was good.

Somebody linked an article in another thread on the offensive line from a bleacher report beat reporter who splits his time covering English Premier League soccer. It was pretty superficial and lacked context but did make a few obvious points such as having Compton and polumbus as our tackles is bad.

Cooley's analysis is better than Bleacher Report's.

Why don't you think Cooley is worth listening to?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Why don't you think Cooley is worth listening to?

Because it doesn't fit his narrative he's been pushing that it's all Gruden and the OL's fault, when the reality of it is that it's his hero's fault. Even Cooley mentions that when fans look at it, they'll just blame the OL, but not the professionals and people that know.

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

When did Cooley become the guru everybody looks to for analysis? Still waiting to hear explanation what the fuck the "yips" are lol

Yips - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You don't even know what he's talking about, yet you're question HIM on breaking down game film? Amazing. I think I'll take a guy's opinion on game film, who was in the league for a good amount of years and that played at a high level over a fan that's start struck by ESPN highlights of his favorite player.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Because it doesn't fit his narrative he's been pushing that it's all Gruden and the OL's fault, when the reality of it is that it's his hero's fault. Even Cooley mentions that when fans look at it, they'll just blame the OL, but not the professionals and people that know.

Admittedly, I've had a really long day. I really don't understand your meaning.

I've heard him call out the play calling, the QB's, the line, the TEs, the RBs, the recievers, the special teams, the defense and the coaching.

The single biggest factor of who he blames for mistakes depends on which play or series he is talking about and who made the mistake.

That standard seems pretty fair to me.

EDIT:

Nevermind. The lightbulb came on. Just got your post. Sorry.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Because it doesn't fit his narrative he's been pushing that it's all Gruden and the OL's fault, when the reality of it is that it's his hero's fault. Even Cooley mentions that when fans look at it, they'll just blame the OL, but not the professionals and people that know.

Actually Cooley mentions that pretty much all of RG3's mistakes are coachable

He says he doesn't think RG3 is dumb or unable to do the things necessary, he just freezes up and is unable to react fast enough, that he does very well when he has enough time.

So why isn't Gruden coaching to those issues?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

Actually Cooley mentions that pretty much all of RG3's mistakes are coachable

He says he doesn't think RG3 is dumb or unable to do the things necessary, he just freezes up and is unable to react fast enough, that he does very well when he has enough time.

So why isn't Gruden coaching to those issues?

Did you listen to the rest of the analysis?

He said that in the same breakdown when he compared Griffin's sack rate to McCoy's and Cousins'.

If you did, you already have your answer according to the guru of everything Redskins.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Yips are the loss of motor skills without an evident explanation. I would say Robert has the most upside but I don't feel he is the best QB on the team right now. If Gruden's game plan is to see who can play his system and weed out those who can't by the end of the season then I guess I am willing to tolerate it but it does wear thin.

[MTK]

Anyone who studies film and has played the game is worth a listen IMO. Cooley isn't all knowing but his analysis seems to be pretty accurate and fair the majority of the time.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone who studies film and has played the game is worth a listen IMO. Cooley isn't all knowing but his analysis seems to be pretty accurate and fair the majority of the time.

I agree. Cooley's analysis is good. He calls it like he sees it, the good and the bad is bad. Unfortunately there's more bad now than good. I also think a big reason Cooley's analysis is good is because he's analyzing the team team he played for not so long ago.

[Hog1]

no axe to grind.......seems fair and accurate. Really like his line analysis. Like picks out the things I miss from not running the film over a few times. Like NOT the lineman on that sack, missed assignment on a tight end etc.......
Good Stuff

[diehardskin2982]

I'll post it here, if we keep RG3 how would you react to signing Vick as the Third QB?

Michael Vick says playing for Redskins would be a ‘dream come true’ - The Washington Post


I think if RG stays its a strong possibility that Cousins will be traded. I know a lot of you would blow a gasket if that happened, but call it a hunch...