Redskins vs. Jaguars Thread

[doughtydoubter]

yeah give jc a break if its one thing i hate about this place its that nobody ever gives a qb a chance...

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

yeah give jc a break if its one thing i hate about this place its that nobody ever gives a qb a chance...

Ugh...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

yeah give jc a break if its one thing i hate about this place its that nobody ever gives a qb a chance...

Chalk it up to ignorance.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Chalk it up to ignorance.

I'm very curious what you'll be saying if JC finds his way to the bench this season.... I have a feeling Zorn won't be feelin your love anymore.. ;-)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I'm very curious what you'll be saying if JC finds his way to the bench this season.... I have a feeling Zorn won't be feelin your love anymore.. ;-)

Long way to go. We'll see what happens.

If he proves that he can't play so be it. Gotta give him that chance though.

[doughtydoubter]

ignorance? how many qbs have we passed by?? Ramsey, ferrotte, green, brad johnson, sage rosenfels.
Im just saying cut the kid a break..no more old man collins is our savior talk..no more lets start colt right now talk. (and i love colt)
can you even imagine what it was liek for brunell to have the people of the stands booing him when he was injured and trying to fight it out? im not saying he was the greatest...but still take some pride in your starter and stand up behind him.
YES jason is young and has a ways to go
YES he has looked inconsistent in the past two preseason games
but he is our starter..love him or hate him hes the man. there is no body better out there, on our team, or on the market.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

ignorance? how many qbs have we passed by?? Ramsey, ferrotte, green, brad johnson, sage rosenfels.
Im just saying cut the kid a break..no more old man collins is our savior talk..no more lets start colt right now talk. (and i love colt)
can you even imagine what it was liek for brunell to have the people of the stands booing him when he was injured and trying to fight it out? im not saying he was the greatest...but still take some pride in your starter and stand up behind him.
YES jason is young and has a ways to go
YES he has looked inconsistent in the past two preseason games
but he is our starter..love him or hate him hes the man. there is no body better out there, on our team, or on the market.

The one thing I'll never do is boo our starting QB. Never. I might secretly be cursing him in my mind.. but not to his face! HAIL!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

ignorance? how many qbs have we passed by?? Ramsey, ferrotte, green, brad johnson, sage rosenfels.
Im just saying cut the kid a break..no more old man collins is our savior talk..no more lets start colt right now talk. (and i love colt)
can you even imagine what it was liek for brunell to have the people of the stands booing him when he was injured and trying to fight it out? im not saying he was the greatest...but still take some pride in your starter and stand up behind him.
YES jason is young and has a ways to go
YES he has looked inconsistent in the past two preseason games
but he is our starter..love him or hate him hes the man. there is no body better out there, on our team, or on the market.

I was talking about ignorance from the fan perspective. Some people seem to think a QB develops overnight.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I was talking about ignorance from the fan perspective. Some people seem to think a QB develops overnight.

Since when it going into season 4 considered over night? ... please...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Since when it going into season 4 considered over night? ... please...

20 starts over 3 years is not a thorough enough body of work.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

20 starts over 3 years is not a thorough enough body of work.

I agree with you. I am tired of people saying 4 years. Its only 20 games..Which is a 1 season plus four games and an array of different offenses to learn and unlearn as far as techniques. Why can't people get that through their heads. You learn through game experience. In game experience..is what you analyze a QB by not by when he gets drafted. WTF?

[over the mountain]

DMV i dont think we should ignore offseason study sessions and preseason work as not part of JC's developmental curve. Alot of work goes into a season before the first regular season snap so to say he really is just a second year player is ignoring countless hours he has been coached up at the NFL level.

JC is definitely entering that part of his career where we can start to make opinions as to what kind of player we as fans think he is. The next two years are his to show us what hes got, so far I think hes been good but not great. Next year I expect him to be great.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

DMV i dont think we should ignore offseason study sessions and preseason work as not part of JC's developmental curve. Alot of work goes into a season before the first regular season snap so to say he really is just a second year player is ignoring countless hours he has been coached up at the NFL level.

JC is definitely entering that part of his career where we can start to make opinions as to what kind of player we as fans think he is. The next two years are his to show us what hes got, so far I think hes been good but not great. Next year I expect him to be great.

Who is ignoring offseason study? Yes his developmental curve needs to be judged against a consistent offensive scheme and coordinator. So by your assessment this is his first year. So the learning curve will be steep.

If you want to analyze his skill level. He has the assets to get the job done from an athletic stand point and obviously knows the offense just as well as anyone (including Todd Collins). But this is his first year in this offense under Zorn. He is relearning his technique. How to come from under center and other elements. You can study all you want. TC studied for years but he didn't play until he got here and JC got hurt. So studying is only half of it. You can read a book on any subject but that doesn't make you and expert. Until you apply the knowledge you have learned and hit some brick walls and learn from your mistakes. That's what makes you better. Having a little faith in him wouldn't hurt either. If people acted this way with Peyton Manning. He might not have become the QB he has become. He would be on another team by now if he started his rookie year here.

I feel there is a lot of pressure put on him here. Redskins fan are the ultimate pressure cooker. That's why we haven't had a decent QB in forever because we dont give him time to develop. If Colt got in and made some mistakes he would be treated the same way.

So patience is key and no it has not been enough time for him to fully develop because they keep switching offenses on this kid. If he had 3 years in one system and actually played atleast two under that system it would be a different story. But saying that he has worked with what he has been given. Despite the circumstances.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Who is ignoring offseason study? Yes his developmental curve needs to be judged against a consistent offensive scheme and coordinator. So by your assessment this is his first year. So the learning curve will be steep.

If you want to analyze his skill level. He has the assets to get the job done from an athletic stand point and obviously knows the offense just as well as anyone (including Todd Collins). But this is his first year in this offense under Zorn. He is relearning his technique. How to come from under center and other elements. You can study all you want. TC studied for years but he didn't play until he got here and JC got hurt. So studying is only half of it. You can read a book on any subject but that doesn't make you and expert. Until you apply the knowledge you have learned and hit some brick walls and learn from your mistakes. That's what makes you better. Having a little faith in him wouldn't hurt either. If people acted this way with Peyton Manning. He might not have become the QB he has become. He would be on another team by now if he started his rookie year here.

I feel there is a lot of pressure put on him here. Redskins fan are the ultimate pressure cooker. That's why we haven't had a decent QB in forever because we dont give him time to develop. If Colt got in and made some mistakes he would be treated the same way.

So patience is key and no it has not been enough time for him to fully develop because they keep switching offenses on this kid. If he had 3 years in one system and actually played atleast two under that system it would be a different story. But saying that he has worked with what he has been given. Despite the circumstances.

Good point.
One of my coworkers, who is a Cowboy, and I were talking about how the NFL doesn't give young QBs time to develop. They want a rookie QB to play on a "superbowl level" their first year in the NFL. Very few QBs can do that. I think Brennan would make the same mistakes JC has. I feel Brennan will be a good QB, but I also feel JC will be too. Yes JC has been inconsistent , but the whole team has over the past two years. Fans are fooling themselves if they think CB will be consistent his first year starting. A fan on another site made a good point. He said how is JC suppose have chemistry with his receivers when they are constantly injured. Look at some of the good QBs. Romo and Brady have great chemistry TO and Moss. The only person JC seems to have chemistry with is Chris Cooley. That is something JC and Moss really need to work on this season.

I don't think fans are going wait until JC totally learns the offense. I think skins fan will want him benched by the fifth game and replaced with Brennan.

[GusFrerotte]

Hmmmmmmmm, in my previous posts I have alluded to that if JC doesn't cut it this season or in '09 that Brennan should be given a shot, if not sooner in '09. Sorry guys, so what if it is only 20 starts. He has had time to mature and get used to the pro game for 4 years. If he flounders this year with inconsistency, why not give Brennan a try? I am not off the JC bandwagon per say, but if JC doesn't get the job done, shouldn't we at least give Brennan some serious thought as having a chance to play?