Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You are using the "Pro-bowl" as your proof he's good?

NFL Stats: by Player Position

I challenge you to look through the years starting with 2006 and see where he ranks (in AFC alone) in terms of QB. He's not even remotely close to the other QBs. Hell, Garrard is a better QB than Young. The only way he got into the Pro-Bowl is if Brady, Rivers, Manning, Palmer, Garrard, etc decline the Pro-bowl invite. As far as that record goes, sure that had nothing to do with a top notch defense and a guy who rushes for 2,000 yards. Nope. Fischer nor Chow wanted to draft Young at the time. You can thank Bud Adams for that fiasco.

Also, that Rookie of the Year crap was a sham.


51.5 completion %, 12 TDs, 13 Ints, 2199 yards, 66.7 QB rating
....compared to this rookies numbers

941 yards rushing, 5.7 avg, 15 TDs, 46 receptions, 436 yards receiving


Now who do you think deserved Rookie of the Year? I"m going with Maurice Jones Drew. Stop buying the smoke they are blowing up your ass. It's all hype.

Please add:

553 yds rushing, 7 TD's rushing, 31 First downs rushing

Total Offense from VY in 2006 (15 games):

2751 yards, 19 TD's, 13 INT's, 2 lost fumbles

FYI: Started off 0-4 as starter his rookie season (missed third game), finished 8-3 the last 11 games of rookie year.

Thus, Rookie of the Year.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Please add:

553 yds rushing, 7 TD's rushing, 31 First downs rushing

Total Offense from VY in 2006 (15 games):

2751 yards, 19 TD's, 13 INT's, 2 lost fumbles

FYI: Started off 0-4 as starter his rookie season (missed third game), finished 8-3 the last 11 games of rookie year.

Thus, Rookie of the Year.

SO you are taking his rushing stats to boost up his offense when he was absolutely horrible at the QB spot? Newsflash: HE IS A QUARTER BACK NOT A RUNNING BACK!!! He's at the QB spot for a reason and if his rushing stats are what sets him apart than something is wrong. Last time I checked, QBs didn't make it into the hall of fame for their rushing stats. Can you prove any different? Hands down Maurice Jones Drew deserved it.

Come back when you have something credible.

[Longtimefan]

It's my belief the Redskins are content in utilizing patience in their search for a long term solution at the QB position. There's no urgent need to parade in any of the journeymen QB's now available when none of them [at least for this season] would provide any more relief at the position than what they already have.

For those who suggest neither Beck or Grossman are the long term solution, many will agree. However, for this year with all the various complications and set-backs the lockout has produced, having two QB's on the roster [though Grossman is unsigned] with knowledge of the system is IMO the better way to proceed. I cannot envision any QB that's available coming into this situation with limited knowledge having any substantial impact.

I trust Allen/Shanahan will continue to exhibit both patience and dilegence in their search for the next QB to lead this team.....no need to rush, haste makes waste as has been demonstrated more often than not.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

It's my belief the Redskins are content in utilizing patience in their search for a long term solution at the QB position. There's no urgent need to parade in any of the journeymen QB's now available when none of them [at least for this season] would provide any more relief at the position than what they already have.

For those who suggest neither Beck or Grossman are the long term solution, many will agree. However, for this year with all the various complications and set-backs the lockout has produced, having two QB's on the roster [though Grossman is unsigned] with knowledge of the system is IMO the better way to proceed. I cannot envision any QB that's available coming into this situation with limited knowledge having any substantial impact.

I trust Allen/Shanahan will continue to exhibit both patience and dilegence in their search for the next QB to lead this team.....no need to rush, haste makes waste as has been demonstrated more often than not.

Just stop it, logic and common sense have no place in a QB thread!!!!

Great post BTW.

[724Skinsfan]

Seems to me we have a good poker game going on here. If I were a HC and needed to upgrade the QB position through trade or FA would I yell out "Someone, anyone, please help!"? No, I would say" Oh a quarterback? Nah, we're set with what we have. QB A is a smart, physical talent that I knew one day would get the opportunity to start. He's going to get the chance to prove he can start." Why tell your trading partners/sports agents that their product is more in demand? That just drives up the asking price. I think Shannahan is basically bluffing saying that he's "not interested but make us an offer anyway."

But that's just me making things more difficult than what they really are.

[mlmpetert]

Love this pic:

[Monkeydad]

Notice who has the ball. Is that a sign of what's coming this year?

[skinsfaninok]

Jason Reid said on SC that Beck is the guy no matter who is in camp.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Jason Reid said on SC that Beck is the guy no matter who is in camp.

Well he's the only guy who is signed but he's definitely not locked in as the starter for the season

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by smootsmack

well he's the only guy who is signed but he's definitely not locked in as the starter for the season

v i n c e

y o u n g !!!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

v i n c e

y o u n g !!!

2 or 3 months at most to learn the offense. I feel like the best scenario for Young is bring him in for a two year contract. Tell him to expect to wait a year but also leave open the possibility of him starting by mid-season, especially if Grossman and/or Beck can't outperform 2010 McNabb which sadly isn't much of a challenge.

One thing though I can't believe that people are overlooking is how improved the defense is going to be. We have a Free Saftey, a Pass Rusher opposite Orakpo, and a big body at defense end to prevent teams from simply running away from Carriker. Bryant and Neild might not be the worlds greatest situation at Nose Tackle but it's hard to deny how much the defense improved when Bryant was inserted into the lineup during the last 3 or 4 weeks of the season.

Then you factor in the possible free agent signings of Franklin and Cullen Jenkins and the skies the limit for this defense. Also possible that they'll sign Nnadmi but after years in Oakland I think he simply wants to go to an established competitor.....with money.

[NC_Skins]

Can John Beck Lead The Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN

Schefter is buddies with Shanny so this is pretty strong statement here about Beck.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Can John Beck Lead The Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN

Schefter is buddies with Shanny so this is pretty strong statement here about Beck.

Beck has not had the opportunity to learn many bad habits as an NFL QB. Maybe Shanahan can do for John Beck what he did for Jake Plummer. Plummer's winning percentage improved greatly his second year in Denver.

Shanahan/McNabb was a case of not being able to teach an old dog new tricks.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Can John Beck Lead The Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN

Schefter is buddies with Shanny so this is pretty strong statement here about Beck.

I don't know that it's a strong statement, really. McNabb is basically out the door and technically Rex Grossman isn't on the team. I mean he is, but once the lockout is lifted he's a free agent. Though I fully expect he'll return. By process of elimination, Beck is atop the depth chart right now.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know that it's a strong statement, really. McNabb is basically out the door and technically Rex Grossman isn't on the team. I mean he is, but once the lockout is lifted he's a free agent. Though I fully expect he'll return. By process of elimination, Beck is atop the depth chart right now.

SS what turns u off of Johnny B? Other than he hasnt done much more than us in the NFL?