NFL taking away Redskins cap space

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mooby

Not really. We have the option of pushing the entire penalty back to 2013, or paying it however we see fit. If we don't pay any of it now and continue forward as planned, and jerr-Dan raise hell at the owners meetings and get the penalty reduced, we'll probably incur some form of penalty but hopefully nowhere near as significant as this one.

Yet again great minds think alike.

[FRPLG]

The fact that FA starts tomorrow is irrelevant, we're not going to sign enough guys tomorrow to make the lowered cap meaningful. And I suspect the plan right now is to say eff it and go about FA as always planned. Based on Allen's statement that is.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by biffle

No it doesn't. And hopefully it won't.

But I was just making a joke because someone seemed to mock the idea of doing something about teams that were below the salary floor in 2010 because 'you can't just go back and apply rules retroactively' or whatever. Sorry the attempt at levity was apparently not up to your standards.

Ah I must've missed it. It's all good bro.

[skinsfaninok]

I expect the skins to still go heavy for Jackson and possibly garcon too

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yet again great minds think alike.

Bullee DAT.

[PCinOz]

Explanation on why the Skins are being targeted


Now I don't agree with this at all because the NFL approved all these contracts but it does bring some rationalization behind the NFL decision.

Its a twitter explanation I gave to Rich Tandler so please read from the bottom up.............


57s Robert Large‏@PCinOz
ut this will be the cornerstone of the NFL argument - that those two contracts were done differently to the others.

1m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
How is AH and DH case different to TW, Rak or Peppers based on what the NFL secretly told the team owners/GM;s?

2m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@PCinOz @Rich_Tandler There was no breakdown of info on what was "allowed" and what wasn't so how do the NFL have a leg to stand on anyway?

6m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@PCinOz @Rich_Tandler Thats why the SKins and Boys should take this to court they would win hands down

6m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler Thats the difference. Should it matter? No. But the NFL are quarantining that issue to hit the SKins with.

7m Rich Tandler‏@Rich_Tandler
@PCinOz In other words, they're making it up as they go along. Not the way it's supposed to operate. I know you know that, just odd.

7m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler Totally agree, they have found a way to seperate abuses with new or unpaid money from already paid and earned money

8m Rich Tandler‏@Rich_Tandler

@PCinOz . . . the cap hit if they want to release Peppers. Same thing, just a new contract.

9m Rich Tandler‏@Rich_Tandler
@PCinOz No, it was a brand new contract when he signed as a UFA with the Bears. Paid out big $ in 1st year to lower cap later and reduce . .

9m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler I;m just using the openalty number to rationalise the NFL decision, not saying that the NFL is right to exclude other abuses

10m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler Was any of Peppers money already earned and paid


11m Rich Tandler‏@Rich_Tandler
@PCinOz I get that. Just don't see why the Bears aren't in the same boat.

11m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler The diff is the NFL are focused on those two already paid & prorated option bonuses, not accelerating yet to be paid/earned

13m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler ...but also accelerates already paid option bonuses to AH ($21m) and DH ($15m). Now what was the penalty? 21+15

14m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler Rich Rich look at the Skins that year, renegotiated Orakpo and Williams contract to accelerate as yet unpaid future bonuses...


Rich Tandler‏@Rich_TandlerReply
he Bears signed Julius Peppers as a UFA in 2010 to a deal with a $35 million cap hit. But they escape penalty here. Why?

[Alvin Walton]

[quote=PCinOz;896896]Explanation on why the Skins are being targeted


Hey PC!

[The Goat]

Wow...just wow! This thread blew up today! All I can add: hopefully this cap space penalty bullshit unites our team as much as it has the board! Can I get a hell yeah?!

[SkinItup]

WOW!!! Lawsuit coming.

[sandtrapjack]

Stupid penalty. I don't understand that if the league offices have to approve player contact agreements, and these contracts were breaking some rule, then why did the league approve the contracts when they were signed?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Stupid penalty. I don't understand that if the league offices have to approve player contact agreements, and these contracts were breaking some rule, then why did the league approve the contracts when they were signed?

I think they didnt disapprove the contracts at the time because the NFLPA would be able to use the disapproved contract as ammo that the NFL owners were colluding to act as if the cap still existed, thus making very serious problems for the league going into the lockout.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Stupid penalty. I don't understand that if the league offices have to approve player contact agreements, and these contracts were breaking some rule, then why did the league approve the contracts when they were signed?

Just listened to mike and mike's explanation on the salary cap penalty. It absolutely made no sense to me. They basically said the league approved the deals because the new CBA wasn't done yet, so thats why the league had to wait until now to penalize. So basically the cowboys and redskins broke the unwritten rule back in 2010 and now in 2012 with new CBA they are getting penalized.

The league still approved the contracts and IMO they didn't want to disapprove them then because it would have looked bad in CBA talks and the NFLPA would have made it an issue.



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[NC_Skins]

Look at this bullshit. They better have so many lawyers up Goodell's ass that he'll be shitting legal terms for the next decade. This is a farce to say the least.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Just listened to mike and mike's explanation on the salary cap penalty. It absolutely made no sense to me. They basically said the league approved the deals because the new CBA wasn't done yet, so thats why the league had to wait until now to penalize. So basically the cowboys and redskins broke the unwritten rule back in 2010 and now in 2012 with new CBA they are getting penalized.

The league still approved the contracts and IMO they didn't want to disapprove them then because it would have looked bad in CBA talks and the NFLPA would have made it an issue.



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Hello NFL you can't have it both ways. You either "WERE COLLUDING" or you were not. You can't say no we don't want to raise any red flags now because the new CBA won't go through and we will be looked at as colluding so we'll ignore it. then months later decide to act on the deals for which you signed off on at the time so you wouldn't get into trouble and now cry foul.

the NFLPA should be all over this. The big question... did you collude or not. If not then the Skins and Boys are off the hook. If they are not then you definitly colluded and the NFLPA should file suit.

[freddyg12]

this whole thing seems arbitrary and capricious. Either that or the NFL hasn't publicly issued a good explanation yet. Everything I've read thus far (including the Tandler twitters above) doesn't address a violation of the CBA or any other league rules.