Who would you pick in the 2nd round?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I must admit, I'm still a Jacobs supporter, I don't feel he played so poorly that he warrents getting attacked like he has. When I was at the Dallas game, I saw him get good seperation from defenders. I really think he's listed as a 4th or 5th option in our offense EVEN if he comes in as the 2nd WR. We have Moss, Cooley, Portis, Sellers, and Royal all ahead of him (depending on formation). He made some good catches, but didn't put up many stats.

I'd really like to see him have more balls thrown his way before I make a decesion on how awful he is. Everyone still talks about the extremely poorly thrown ball in his direction where he didn't play defense on it. While he should have tried to do... something, Brunell was hanging the little guy out to dry.

ahem,
"I think i have a concussion"

on the raiders amazing cbs:
"One guy runs a 4.4 and the other runs a 4.2, what do you expect me to do?"

leaving the game for flu like symptoms etc

he's been a real pansy thus far to the point that he needss to prove otherwise instead of getting unlimited benefit of doubt.

[MTK]

Daseal, I know Jacobs is a product of your boy Spurrier but it's time to admit he looks like a bust.

I was a supporter of him too but the guy just hasn't stepped up at all. He had a golden opportunity when Patten went down and he did absolutely nothing. The guy is soft and doesn't play the way he practices.

The playoff game against Seattle was my last straw with him, on the Skins' first offensive series of the game Brunell hit him right in the chest and he dropped it. Then he took himself out of the game with a mysterious injury.

I'd love to believe the guy is still a diamond in the rough, but right now I'm off his bandwagon until he proves me wrong and I won't be surprised to see him cut.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Daseal, I know Jacobs is a product of your boy Spurrier but it's time to admit he looks like a bust.

I was a supporter of him too but the guy just hasn't stepped up at all. He had a golden opportunity when Patten went down and he did absolutely nothing. The guy is soft and doesn't play the way he practices.

The playoff game against Seattle was my last straw with him, on the Skins' first offensive series of the game Brunell hit him right in the chest and he dropped it. Then he took himself out of the game with a mysterious injury.

I'd love to believe the guy is still a diamond in the rough, but right now I'm off his bandwagon until he proves me wrong and I won't be surprised to see him cut.

Yea I have defended him in the past as well but I am starting to agree with Matty on this one, I think Jacobs has one shot with us, and that's if Saunders can get him going, I do believe he hasen't been utilized in our offense, I have been under the belief that it was more to do with Brunell and the play calling rather than his ability, but I am starting to lean the other way in this matter. I don't believe the coaches have given up on him quite yet, but he's on thin ice with one last opportunity to step up under Saunders.

[bertoskins]

I will go for sinorice, two moss is better than one

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by bertoskins

I will go for sinorice, two moss is better than one

I would too, but I'm usually not a supporter of trading future picks to draft picks today. And we'd have to trade to get him since he simply won't fall to the bottom of the second round.

However, if the CBA doesn't get extended, it might make sense to toss out conventional wisdom and trade future picks for picks in this year's draft. In an uncapped league, we would be able to rely on free agents more to fill our ranks. Accordingly, draft picks would lose some of their value for free-spending franchises such as ours.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I would too, but I'm usually not a supporter of trading future picks to draft picks today. And we'd have to trade to get him since he simply won't fall to the bottom of the second round.

However, if the CBA doesn't get extended, it might make sense to toss out conventional wisdom and trade future picks for picks in this year's draft. In an uncapped league, we would be able to rely on free agents more to fill our ranks. Accordingly, draft picks would lose some of their value for free-spending franchises such as ours.

in the future i hope you're not going to depend on free agents, cause there will be less and they'll cost more (and be older and mainly crap players too).

the only reason to toss future draft picks is if you think the union will decertify and bring the NFL to court on anti-trust issues (the draft is an illegal business practice) and the draft isn't going to exist in the future.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by That Guy

in the future i hope you're not going to depend on free agents, cause there will be less and they'll cost more (and be older and mainly crap players too).

the only reason to toss future draft picks is if you think the union will decertify and bring the NFL to court on anti-trust issues (the draft is an illegal business practice) and the draft isn't going to exist in the future.

Both good points. Touche (sp?).

[EXoffender]

I want a NFL protype DE. Ray Edwards (Purdue) fits the bill. I also like Pittsburgh WR Greg Lee.

[EXoffender]

Louisville DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil is considerably short at 5' 11" but, I'm interested in his workout at the combine. He seems like a good fit in Greg Williams scheme (at least what he was trying to do with Chris Clemons and Arrington).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by EXoffender

Louisville DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil is considerably short at 5' 11" but, I'm interested in his workout at the combine. He seems like a good fit in Greg Williams scheme (at least what he was trying to do with Chris Clemons and Arrington).

yeah, but i think lawson and mcclover would be even better at that role. They're both super fast for DEs.

[Dirtbag59]

Hey how about some love for Derrick Hagan. I know we're not suppose to fall in love with combine numbers but the guy ran a 4.42. I always considered the guy a good football player but I had heard he was slow and the last thing I wanted was a big slow guy for the Redskins. However I was wrong. He's a big fast guy and thats something the Redskins could use. Plus with this whole CBA thing looming I think we should start thinking more about drafting talent than free agents (a la New England).


Yet the guy I would pick for the Redskins if they had a first round pick would be Florida Reciever Chad Jackson. I've had the oppurtunity to see him at the senior bowl, some workout at Dolphin Stadium, and the combine and he ceases to amaze me. Guy runs a 4.3 and I've rarely seen him drop a ball. Plus I know that all pro players have above average bodies (hell even John Hall looks muscular), but this guy has an insane amount of muscle on a 6'1 frame. Think about it he's 201 pounds, which gives him 2.8 pounds per inch (it takes about 10-12 pounds to change the index by a tenth of a point). Thats boardering on middle-weight competitive bodybuilder. On top of all this he's 20 years old which means he has huge upside. Man I'm telling you if the Redskins had a first round pick this guy would be their choice. Screw Free-Agency.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Hey how about some love for Derrick Hagan. I know we're not suppose to fall in love with combine numbers but the guy ran a 4.42. I always considered the guy a good football player but I had heard he was slow and the last thing I wanted was a big slow guy for the Redskins. However I was wrong. He's a big fast guy and thats something the Redskins could use. Plus with this whole CBA thing looming I think we should start thinking more about drafting talent than free agents (a la New England).


Yet the guy I would pick for the Redskins if they had a first round pick would be Florida Reciever Chad Jackson. I've had the oppurtunity to see him at the senior bowl, some workout at Dolphin Stadium, and the combine and he ceases to amaze me. Guy runs a 4.3 and I've rarely seen him drop a ball. Plus I know that all pro players have above average bodies (hell even John Hall looks muscular), but this guy has an insane amount of muscle on a 6'1 frame. Think about it he's 201 pounds, which gives him 2.8 pounds per inch (it takes about 10-12 pounds to change the index by a tenth of a point). Thats boardering on middle-weight competitive bodybuilder. On top of all this he's 20 years old which means he has huge upside. Man I'm telling you if the Redskins had a first round pick this guy would be their choice. Screw Free-Agency.

He actually ran an unofficial 4.29 40, the guy reminds me of David Boston physically only faster, and think the kid is only 20 years old.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

He actually ran an unofficial 4.29 40, the guy reminds me of David Boston physically only faster, and think the kid is only 20 years old.

He sounds interesting. On the one hand, the curse of the Florida wideouts makes me want to shy away from him. On the other hand, I don't really believe in curses.

Does anyone know what Sinorice's 40 time was? I know 40 times are overrated, but I am curious to know how fast he actually is.

[That Guy]

updated with new 40 times, if anyone caught nance or hass's time, let me know.

WR Rank	Name		Hgt	Wgt	40 Time	New 40	Proj. Rnd
62	Gerran Walker	5'9"	188	4.30		---
13	Johnathan Orr	6'2"	195	4.35	4.41	3-4
31	Jeremy Bloom	5'9"	175	4.36	4.50	6
1	Santonio Holmes	5'11"	190	4.36	DNA	1
30	
159	
180	
---	Troy Bergeron	6'2"	190	4.38
92	
2	Sinorice Moss	5'8"	183	4.39	4.38	1

others:
7	Derek Hagan	6'1"	203	4.50	4.42	2-3
10	Todd Watkins	6'3"	185	4.42	4.40	3
11	Greg Lee	6'2"	200	4.50		3
12	Martin Nance	6'4"	208	4.58		3
15	Mike Hass	6'1"	208	4.58		3-4
16	M Robinson (QB)	6'1"	218	4.56		4
41	Drouzon Quillen	6'6"	218	4.52		---

	Will Blackmon	6'0"	200	4.54	4.46
4	Chad Jackson	6'1"	205	4.45	4.32

only 2 other WRs are 6'6"+ (no listed 40 times)
103	Markee White	6'7"	205
196	Darryl Owens	6'6"	214

[bigm29]

how about Devin Hester. Cornerback from Miami(Fla). Should fall to the second round. runs a 4.33 40 and is an excellent kick/punt returner also which we need. Does not have great size but neither do our other corners. This is definatly a position we need young depth at especially with the expected realease of Harris and I think Springs will be 32 years old.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=8...06&nid=1832026
read his bio. this guy has been all over the field. Not sure what he did in '05 but i saw highlights of him on espn running a punt back for a td