Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?

[That Guy]

ramsey has no control cause he hasn't proven anything. He'll sign with whoever wants him caue otherwise he might not have a job, and 1.88mill is better than vet min. If ramsey played hardball gibbs would tell him to shove it. he's either going where there's trade value if someone offers. It is important for him to play and prove his value, but he has no leverage at all. If he goes hardball and only wants to go to teams that aren't offering a good pick, the skins can trade him to a non-preferred team instead just to F with him.

70chip, if there's no new cba, cutting brunell costs us 300k more than keeping him. if there is a new cba then we save 5.4mill this year and 1mill next year with a post june 1 cut (the best cap deal the skins can make with the current roter of contracts).

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

ramsey has no control cause he hasn't proven anything. He'll sign with whoever wants him caue otherwise he might not have a job, and 1.88mill is better than vet min. If ramsey played hardball gibbs would tell him to shove it. he's either going where there's trade value if someone offers. It is important for him to play and prove his value, but he has no leverage at all. If he goes hardball and only wants to go to teams that aren't offering a good pick, the skins can trade him to a non-preferred team instead just to F with him.

How badly can the Skins screw Ramsey? After 2006, he's an UFA whether he plays with us or some bottom-feeder.

If your low opinion of Patrick is shared around the league, then you're right. But, I seriously doubt that it is.

L. Coles wanted to go back to the Jets. Joe accomodated him. As it turned out, we ended up with Santana. Maybe we'll get lucky again by trading Ramsey, another malcontent.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

How badly can the Skins screw Ramsey? After 2006, he's an UFA whether he plays with us or some bottom-feeder.

If your low opinion of Patrick is shared around the league, then you're right. But, I seriously doubt that it is.

L. Coles wanted to go back to the Jets. Joe accomodated him. As it turned out, we ended up with Santana. Maybe we'll get lucky again by trading Ramsey, another malcontent.

and guess what? if the jets didn't offer up moss, the skins would have let coles rot. they didn't trade him to the jets to make him happy, they did it cause they were offered value.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

and guess what? if the jets didn't offer up moss, the skins would have let coles rot. they didn't trade him to the jets to make him happy, they did it cause they were offered value.

Well, guess what? Joe Gibbs obviously doesn't think much of Ramsey. How much value do you think he expects to get for him? How hard will it be to make an acceptable trade?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Well, guess what? Joe Gibbs obviously doesn't think much of Ramsey. How much value do you think he expects to get for him? How hard will it be to make an acceptable trade?

well it kinda nukes the ramsey has control of his trade arguement, since he has to play for his future contract and any team he wants to go to has to offer value equal to what the club he doesn't want to go to offers.

Right now there's no way he'll want a long term contract since it'd be worth pennies. Theonly thing he could possibly ask for is a chance to start this season... and i doubt most teams are going to make offers that don't need a tarting QB (even if only as a stopgap). If he likes his destination, it'll only be coincidental.

[Daseal]

Drew Brees, Daunte Culpepper are both big options.
Ramsey, Schuab (if ATL deals him), Rivers (possible if no one bites on Brees), Pennington (I'd never take him, but someone will), Volek (if TN is willing to deal, which if Young is #1 on their list, they probably will). All these guys could pull more interest than Ramsey.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Drew Brees, Daunte Culpepper are both big options.
Ramsey, Schuab (if ATL deals him), Rivers (possible if no one bites on Brees), Pennington (I'd never take him, but someone will), Volek (if TN is willing to deal, which if Young is #1 on their list, they probably will). All these guys could pull more interest than Ramsey.

I won't argue with your statement that "all these guys could pull more interest than Ramsey," but the question is: How likely is it that they will?

The guys with the big reps are high risk because of injuries. Rivers hasn't played a down yet in the NFL, has he? Schuab and Volek haven't shown much.

I have a hunch that Ramsey will draw strong interest but that might simply be because I'm still high on him.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

The guys with the big reps are high risk because of injuries. Rivers hasn't played a down yet in the NFL, has he? Schuab and Volek haven't shown much.

I have a hunch that Ramsey will draw strong interest but that might simply be because I'm still high on him.

volek has shown a lot more than ramsey. 26/13 TD/int vs 34/29, 60.3% completion vs 55.7%...

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

volek has shown a lot more than ramsey. 26/13 TD/int vs 34/29, 60.3% completion vs 55.7%...

With selected stats, you can prove anything. However, Volek might well be worth more on the market than Ramsey if his knee will pass a medical exam.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

With selected stats, you can prove anything. However, Volek might well be worth more on the market than Ramsey if his knee will pass a medical exam.

those are their career stats, how are you suppposed to measure QBs? instead of decrying the arguement just because it doesn't support your point, how about rebutting it with actual facts?

volek - 278.8ypg (including 426 and 492 yard games)
ramsey - 206.11ypg

the only stat ramsey has thats better is w/l, volek is 3-7, ramsey is 9-13 (discounting the two games he started but left with injury immediately)
neither one has a great w/l and the skins have generally been more talented.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Drew Brees, Daunte Culpepper are both big options.
Ramsey, Schuab (if ATL deals him), Rivers (possible if no one bites on Brees), Pennington (I'd never take him, but someone will), Volek (if TN is willing to deal, which if Young is #1 on their list, they probably will). All these guys could pull more interest than Ramsey.

A couple of other guys who could be on the market that have shown more than Ramsey are Griese and Kerry Collins. I think That Guy put it best, if Ramsey goes to a team he likes it will be coincidental. I'm sure the Redskins will take into consideration where he'd like to be traded to, but in the end they have to do what's best for the Washington Redskins, not Patrick Ramsey.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

A couple of other guys who could be on the market that have shown more than Ramsey are Griese and Kerry Collins. I think That Guy put it best, if Ramsey goes to a team he likes it will be coincidental. I'm sure the Redskins will take into consideration where he'd like to be traded to, but in the end they have to do what's best for the Washington Redskins, not Patrick Ramsey.

So, if Ramsey won't sign a new agreement, what teams do you think would be possible trade partners, interested in renting him for a year?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Huddle

So, if Ramsey won't sign a new agreement, what teams do you think would be possible trade partners, interested in renting him for a year?

Well the Dolphins or Jets are the most commonly mentioned. Particularly if let's say one of them is able to draft Jay Cutler. The Saints would fall into that category (by the way, might as well add Aaron Brooks to the list of QBs that could be available this spring). And that might be where he'd like to be, since it's close to home. And if the Raiders do part ways with Kerry Collins, I'd be really surprised if they think the answer is Tuiasosopo.

Then there's the other extreme. He goes somewhere where he sits for one more year but takes over in 2007. If the Vikings part ways with Daunte, they'll have 38 year old Brad Johnson behind center, the Chiefs have 36 year old Trent Green. How many more years do those guys have?

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Well the Dolphins or Jets are the most commonly mentioned. Particularly if let's say one of them is able to draft Jay Cutler. The Saints would fall into that category (by the way, might as well add Aaron Brooks to the list of QBs that could be available this spring). And that might be where he'd like to be, since it's close to home. And if the Raiders do part ways with Kerry Collins, I'd be really surprised if they think the answer is Tuiasosopo.

Then there's the other extreme. He goes somewhere where he sits for one more year but takes over in 2007. If the Vikings part ways with Daunte, they'll have 38 year old Brad Johnson behind center, the Chiefs have 36 year old Trent Green. How many more years do those guys have?

I think you misunderstood the question.

I asked which teams might be interested in trading for Ramsey in the final year of his contract assuming he would not sign a new deal with them. I'm certain you don't think that all those teams would give up a draft pick or a useful player for Ramsey given those conditions.

[mooby]

yeah i remember in 2004 when mcnair was injured, volek stepped in and was awesome with drew bennett. I'd love to have him as a backup qb. this year bennett didn't do anything with mcnair at qb.