The CBA: The NFLPA and Players Are Greedy and/or Dumb

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Right now the labor dispute isn't based on the players being greedy. Rather, the owners are fighting amongst themselves as to 1) how to define gross revenues, and 2) how much "cash over cap" should be allowed. Thus the fight is between the super-rich owners and their even richer counterparts.

In any event, I don't have the slightest sympathy for any party that is even remotely involved. The owners are the richest of them all and while they put up the dough to buy the franchise, they don't sweat or shed blood on Sundays. The players are extremely well paid.

I think you are some what wrong!! Yea the owns have the the cash over cap thing but asking 60 percent of the pie is to much!!! I dont' care about the sweat thing because we all do that each day of the week! Many of us would love 60 percent of the pie as well! PA is taking them down a road they can't win!!!

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

I think it is a mistake to view either the players or the owners as a monolithic group.

Teams like MIN, SEA, AZ & CIN have very different interests, needs and pressures from those like WAS, DAL, HOU, PHI. Then there are teams like PIT, CLE, NYG, KCC who face entirely different issues.

The same is true among players. Just looking at the WR position, what is good for someone like Reggie Wayne is different from James Thrash needs which is different from Antwon Randel El would like.

Is it really greedy for people to look out for their own interests? Is it fair to call an owner greedy for not being willing to buy into a deal that puts his franchise into the red. Just like attacking a player for being upset at a deal (or lack of a deal) that will take millions out of his pocket doesn't seem very balanced.

But I will go as far as to say there has been some real stupidity here. Especially on the part of Upshaw. He is not being reasonable and is overreaching and I don't find his public statements to be real honest. The position he is taking is going to hurt far more players than it helps at 12:01 A.M.

BTW, the uncapped year will be a total boondoggle for both the players and the Redskins -- not the bonanza most people are counting on for both.

Very nicely put my friend!!!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I think you are some what wrong!! Yea the owns have the the cash over cap thing but asking 60 percent of the pie is to much!!! I dont' care about the sweat thing because we all do that each day of the week! Many of us would love 60 percent of the pie as well! PA is taking them down a road they can't win!!!

Okay, so instead of siding with the millionaires, you're siding with the billionaires? Sorry if I don't cry about the owners or players not being able to afford a solid-gold gulfstream.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

For everyperson like you there are 20 people that will go see a movie just because their favorite star or director is in it. I never said I agreed with it but that is the way people are. People will see a Ron Howard or Stephen Speilberg directed movie just because they directed it. Plain and simple that is what drives up their demand and thus their salaries. You are usually going to have bigger revenues if you attach a certain amount of name recognition and star quality. It is all about money. I am not saying the other way will not work, on occasion a movie with no stars will do very well, but that is not as common.
I agree with you that in a perfect world athletes, movie stars and musicians should not getting more money than say a doctor that saves lives everyday. But the fact is the 4 members of U2 (for example) will generate more revenue than than any 4 doctors. It is sad but true.

fair enough but do you really think football fans will stop watching their favorite teams just because their teams cut a few "stars" ? i don't think they will, i know i won't.

[Gwilljest]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Right now the labor dispute isn't based on the players being greedy. Rather, the owners are fighting amongst themselves as to 1) how to define gross revenues, and 2) how much "cash over cap" should be allowed. Thus the fight is between the super-rich owners and their even richer counterparts.

In any event, I don't have the slightest sympathy for any party that is even remotely involved. The owners are the richest of them all and while they put up the dough to buy the franchise, they don't sweat or shed blood on Sundays. The players are extremely well paid.

Jagshamash!

[bigm29]

The Owners and others have untill midnight to get a deal done but nfl teams have to make their cuts by 6pm. That would mean teams would have to cut players without knowing the results of the labor talks yet. Doesnt make any sense to me.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

fair enough but do you really think football fans will stop watching their favorite teams just because their teams cut a few "stars" ? i don't think they will, i know i won't.

the patriots make a habit out of it.

lawyer milloy, ty law, and this year, possibly mcginest and vinetari. They haven't lost a lot of fan interest over it though. brady's the only one that matters... and he gives money back... he could have 3 times his salary but said no thanks, so i doubt it'd ever be economical to ditch him.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by bigm29

The Owners and others have untill midnight to get a deal done but nfl teams have to make their cuts by 6pm. That would mean teams would have to cut players without knowing the results of the labor talks yet. Doesnt make any sense to me.

40 minutes to cuts or an extension of the deadline. The rumor is 1 to 3 days.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I think you are some what wrong!! Yea the owns have the the cash over cap thing but asking 60 percent of the pie is to much!!! I dont' care about the sweat thing because we all do that each day of the week! Many of us would love 60 percent of the pie as well! PA is taking them down a road they can't win!!!

you see people? you see?!!....it all comes back to pie

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

fair enough but do you really think football fans will stop watching their favorite teams just because their teams cut a few "stars" ? i don't think they will, i know i won't.

The majority (large masses) of NFL fans are not loyal fans like you and I, most are really fair weather fans.
The Colts are the perfect example. Right before the Colts got Manning, Edgerrin and Harrison nobody gave a rat ass about the colts. Their attendance was horrible and they were never on TV. They did not have a probowl player for years. NOw they have the stars and have been to the playoffs for a few years, they sell out and now the city wants to build them a stadium just to keep them. Oh, how things have changed for them.

[BigSKINBauer]

MOrt just reported that it is over, talks are over. Mort said the players association walked out... all teams must be under the cap by 10 PM.

[44deisel44]

Gentlemen, sharpen your axes!:frustyidn't Mort say they still had a chance with using their blackberries?

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The majority (large masses) of NFL fans are not loyal fans like you and I, most are really fair weather fans.
The Colts are the perfect example. Right before the Colts got Manning, Edgerrin and Harrison nobody gave a rat ass about the colts. Their attendance was horrible and they were never on TV. They did not have a probowl player for years. NOw they have the stars and have been to the playoffs for a few years, they sell out and now the city wants to build them a stadium just to keep them. Oh, how things have changed for them.

i agree with you , youve made valid points but i don't believe the impact of losing a few star players would hurt any nfl team (as far as attendance and so forth...)

teams like the colts, that you mentioned, wouldn't cut manning or harrison , they would cut some lesser known stars. same with the skins, they're way over the cap but they wouldn't cut any of their true stars.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i agree with you , youve made valid points but i don't believe the impact of losing a few star players would hurt any nfl team (as far as attendance and so forth...)

teams like the colts, that you mentioned, wouldn't cut manning or harrison , they would cut some lesser known stars. same with the skins, they're way over the cap but they wouldn't cut any of their true stars.

like lavar? stars get replaced, just wait a couple years.

[GoSkins!]

I think that the CBA talks would make a good Dilbert cartoon. Catbert would be Upshaw...