Trading Down the 1st Rounder next year

[The Zimmermans]

Ok, not many people are talking about the lack of speed. That speed can be found in the draft. Veterans only get slower......Archuleta.

[MTK]

Speed is overrated. Position is what matters. Our guys in the secondary aren't suffering from a lack of speed, they're simply out of position too much.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Speed is overrated. Position is what matters. Our guys in the secondary aren't suffering from a lack of speed, they're simply out of position too much.

I think we can win with the corners we have. They do lack speed, but they are bigger and more physical than the NFL average and will come up and pop you in the run game.

We need to get back to the blitzing style that won us games. Blitz, man. If they beat it, blitz again.

[SkinsTerps424]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Speed is overrated. Position is what matters. Our guys in the secondary aren't suffering from a lack of speed, they're simply out of position too much.

This is so true. If I remember correctly against the Giants before halftime Tiki reeled off a 15 yard run and the only playmaker on our defense, Mr. Taylor, ripped the ball from Tiki's arms. 15 yards down field and no redskins defenders were around to jump on the ball. Unreal, its the first thing they teach you in pee wee, get to the ball. We don't hussle to the ball at all. If we would swarm and be in the right places we would be more successful defensively.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Speed is overrated. Position is what matters. Our guys in the secondary aren't suffering from a lack of speed, they're simply out of position too much.

they're a slow secondary beyond whatever other troubles they may be having. speed can also let you correct some mistakes.

and trading down would or wouldn't make sense depending on our draft position and the players available. right now it's too early to tell.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by That Guy

they're a slow secondary beyond whatever other troubles they may be having. speed can also let you correct some mistakes.

and trading down would or wouldn't make sense depending on our draft position and the players available. right now it's too early to tell.

How are they slow? Springs, maybe but he used to be a burner. Taylor 4.5, Archuletta and Rogers run 4.4's.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

How are they slow? Springs, maybe but he used to be a burner. Taylor 4.5, Archuletta and Rogers run 4.4's.

wright is a 4.6 guy and rumph probably is too. carlos ran a 4.44, which isn't a burner when you have CBs running under 4.2 and WRs around 4.3. springs is probably the fastest guy in the secondary right now. and it doesn't matter what arch ran, when the pads are on, everyone and their brother is blowing right by him play after play after play.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by That Guy

wright is a 4.6 guy and rumph probably is too. carlos ran a 4.44, which isn't a burner when you have CBs running under 4.2 and WRs around 4.3. springs is probably the fastest guy in the secondary right now. and it doesn't matter what arch ran, when the pads are on, everyone and their brother is blowing right by him play after play after play.

In an interview Rumph said he was a 4.4/4.5 guy (now he very well could have lost a step).

Dude, 4.2 and 4.3 speed is very very rare and half of the guys who can do it can't catch a cold.

Our guys aren't getting torched down the field, they are in poor position when the ball arrives. So they either get toasted or grab the guy. And when they actually cover the play well, they drop it.

[The Zimmermans]

Yeah, they seem to always be recovering from their mistakes. Are they lacking the anticipation??? Do you think that troy vincent should get the nod over archuleta this sunday, I feel like he might compliment taylor more than Arch.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Yeah, they seem to always be recovering from their mistakes. Are they lacking the anticipation??? Do you think that troy vincent should get the nod over archuleta this sunday, I feel like he might compliment taylor more than Arch.

I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a bit of Vincent down the stretch, at least in passing situations.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

See, forget speed. I'm all about drafting TALENT.

[SmootSmack]

Actually between Casserly and Norv. One wanted Dilfer/Westbrook the other wanted Shuler/Galloway so they basically compromised. But that's in the past

[Pocket$ $traight]

If they had salary cap problems (which they don't) wouldn't it make sense to sign 1 first rounder instead of a 1st and 2nd?

Anyway, I think they need to focus on the O-line and defensive lines period.

Look at the g-men last year. They had a bunch of clowns playing LB (after Pierce was hurt) but they still won the division (didn't help against the Panthers...). Look at the Panthers. Their linebackers are comical and the secondary is mediocre at best but the line keeps them competitive.

Since we are stuck with Carter for a few years, is there any way we could use him as a linebacker? He obviously cannot play the line in our scheme. Why compound a mistake by continuing to play him there.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

If they had salary cap problems (which they don't) wouldn't it make sense to sign 1 first rounder instead of a 1st and 2nd?

Anyway, I think they need to focus on the O-line and defensive lines period.

Look at the g-men last year. They had a bunch of clowns playing LB (after Pierce was hurt) but they still won the division (didn't help against the Panthers...). Look at the Panthers. Their linebackers are comical and the secondary is mediocre at best but the line keeps them competitive.

Since we are stuck with Carter for a few years, is there any way we could use him as a linebacker? He obviously cannot play the line in our scheme. Why compound a mistake by continuing to play him there.

I understand what you're saying about the salaries of a 1st and 2nd rounders. However, I think it's a little unrealistic to think we could trade down for a lower first AND a second round pick (unless we have a top 3-5 pick). I think a lower first and a third is more likely. In that case, the salaries of a low first and a third will be comparable to the salary of a high first.

I agree that lines should be the main focus. IMO, O-line, D-line, and RB are the most important pieces of a great team (a smart QB is necessary, a good QB is a luxury). I also think they should try to play carter at LB ... he isn't doing squat at DE, but we should probably wait a few more games before passing judgement (after all, it is his first year here).

[Big C]

we need to see where our pick will be next year before we can discuss this