NFC East Champ?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

#56Fanatic, I broke your post down into paragraphs. It just makes it a lot easier to read. You had some good points, and I'd hate for people to just gloss over it because of the format.

thanks, i forgot to do that. I get on a roll and just keep typing.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Consider the state of coaching in the East. Dallas-no coach (maybe JJ). NYG-coach they don't like, and in turmoil. The division is up for grabs again this year. It might actually be a better oppurtunity for the Skins than 2006. They should be able to get stoked up about it, and get this ship righted. We'll see

Your thoughts?

Eagles have McNabb coming back as well as Kearse. They are the favorites.

[dmek25]

kearse is a non factor. guaranteed to be hurt at some point of the season

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by dmek25

kearse is a non factor. guaranteed to be hurt at some point of the season

Your might be right. But even w/out Kearse and DM they still won the division and won a playoff game. And could have advanced to the championship game. So they are still the favorites.

[The Huddle]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Your might be right. But even w/out Kearse and DM they still won the division and won a playoff game. And could have advanced to the championship game. So they are still the favorites.

Agreed- No reason think they won't be. This team was very close to being in the NFC championship game again. The Redskins were 5-11. That's a prett fat gap to close in one year. I'll believe it when I see it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Huddle

Agreed- No reason think they won't be. This team was very close to being in the NFC championship game again. The Redskins were 5-11. That's a prett fat gap to close in one year. I'll believe it when I see it.

Not to take anything away from the Eagles, who did a great job winning the NFC's strongest division at clearly less than full strength, but anytime you have a team who had to play 3 consecutive road games in the division and won all three of them, the opposition blew it. We could have won but didn't, the Giants had it easier than us and choked, and the Cowboys had it easiest and they really choked. Does this make the Giants and Cowboys worse? Not really. They just didn't play their best football when it mattered most, and paid with wild cards instead of a division championship.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Your might be right. But even w/out Kearse and DM they still won the division and won a playoff game. And could have advanced to the championship game. So they are still the favorites.

Well, it's not like Garcia was a replacement level QB either. This season he played slightly worse than McNabb did, and McNabb was in the midst of his best season as a pro before the injury.

One thing you get with Garcia that you don't get with McNabb is consistency. McNabb can have stretches of games where he can go 3 and a half quarters making poor reads, overthrowing guys, and not doing the things with his legs that he's capable of. He has other games where he comes out of the gate in the zone and posts ridiculous numbers. It's a lot like Grossman in Chicago, but McNabb rarely gets picked even on his bad days (this is probably mostly an experience thing, but also McNabb is fortunate that his poorly thrown incompletions fall harmlessly to the turf whereas Grossman's find a way into the hands of a defensive back). All in all it averages out to a pretty good QB. But the Eagles as a team probably aren't too much better off offensively with Donovan than with Garcia; it's splitting hairs.

Kearse is...overrated. They let Derrick Burgess walk to make room for Kearse, and Burgess is probably the better player.

If the only thing that mattered was starting lineups, we are probably better than Philly. But they do a great job rotating in fresh defensive talent, and are built to deal well with injuries, and in an imperfect world like the NFL have a great chance to finish better than us.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

One thing you get with Garcia that you don't get with McNabb is consistency. McNabb can have stretches of games where he can go 3 and a half quarters making poor reads, overthrowing guys, and not doing the things with his legs that he's capable of. He has other games where he comes out of the gate in the zone and posts ridiculous numbers. It's a lot like Grossman in Chicago, but McNabb rarely gets picked even on his bad days (this is probably mostly an experience thing, but also McNabb is fortunate that his poorly thrown incompletions fall harmlessly to the turf whereas Grossman's find a way into the hands of a defensive back). All in all it averages out to a pretty good QB. But the Eagles as a team probably aren't too much better off offensively with Donovan than with Garcia; it's splitting hairs.

I agree with the rest of your post, but not your point about McNabb. Obviously, as this season proved, the Eagles offense is good even when McNabb is MIA. That said, I think McNabb is one of the best QBs in the league and is pretty consistent.

Garcia had a great year, but he looked horrible in Detroit and Cleveland. Granted, those teams are awful, but he was just off for the past two years. I guarantee that if Garcia goes somewhere else this offseason to become a starter, he'll tank.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I agree with the rest of your post, but not your point about McNabb. Obviously, as this season proved, the Eagles offense is good even when McNabb is MIA. That said, I think McNabb is one of the best QBs in the league and is pretty consistent.

Garcia had a great year, but he looked horrible in Detroit and Cleveland. Granted, those teams are awful, but he was just off for the past two years. I guarantee that if Garcia goes somewhere else this offseason to become a starter, he'll tank.

SGG, Garcia may have played poor with Cleveland and Detroit but those two franchises are two of the most underachieving teams in the NFL. He played at a Pro Bowl level in San Francisco. I agree that McNabb is a little better but Garcia's not too bad. If Dallas or the Giants were to pick him up as a backup to Rhomo or Ellie, I think he could be just as effective as a starter as he was with Philly.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, it's not like Garcia was a replacement level QB either. This season he played slightly worse than McNabb did, and McNabb was in the midst of his best season as a pro before the injury.

One thing you get with Garcia that you don't get with McNabb is consistency. McNabb can have stretches of games where he can go 3 and a half quarters making poor reads, overthrowing guys, and not doing the things with his legs that he's capable of. He has other games where he comes out of the gate in the zone and posts ridiculous numbers. It's a lot like Grossman in Chicago, but McNabb rarely gets picked even on his bad days (this is probably mostly an experience thing, but also McNabb is fortunate that his poorly thrown incompletions fall harmlessly to the turf whereas Grossman's find a way into the hands of a defensive back). All in all it averages out to a pretty good QB. But the Eagles as a team probably aren't too much better off offensively with Donovan than with Garcia; it's splitting hairs.

Kearse is...overrated. They let Derrick Burgess walk to make room for Kearse, and Burgess is probably the better player.

If the only thing that mattered was starting lineups, we are probably better than Philly. But they do a great job rotating in fresh defensive talent, and are built to deal well with injuries, and in an imperfect world like the NFL have a great chance to finish better than us.

Before McNabb got hurt he was having a great year w/out TO. No QB is perfect.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Before McNabb got hurt he was having a great year w/out TO. No QB is perfect.

Of course not. I'm picking the Eagles to win the division next year, but quarterback play is not the reason. They had a good QB play all of last year. McNabb was on a torrid pace in the first six weeks, but cooled as the season went on, ultimately being knocked out. Garcia comes right in and theres no significant dropoff at the QB position. They will have a better QB playing next year, and I really don't think the ACL injury will be a factor.

I was just trying to point out that as good as McNabb can be at times, when he simply does no wrong, Andy Reid's offense can really struggle when McNabb isn't feeling it. They just won't be able to put a drive toghether for more than half a game. A player can't always rely on one quarter making up for three quarters of poor play.

In the game against TB last year, he was picked twice for TD's and directed an offense that scored 7 points in Tampa through 52 mins. On the other side of the field, Gradkowski had done nothing all day offensively, but his team was up 20-0. McNabb, as he is paid to do, scored on 3 consecutive drives against some really shoddy Buccaneer defense, but sometimes it's too little too late. Great quarter, but it only took the Bucs a minute to get to the 45 yard line, and some tough luck with Matt Bryant hitting a 62 yarder cost them the game. Good work by McNabb to bring them back, but when you don't show up for the first 3 quarters, the games probably not going to end in your hands.

I was just pointing out how thats not a problem with Garcia. Garcia never takes 3 quarters to get going.

I DON'T think Philly is a SB team next year, just the best team in the East.

McNabb's a pretty good QB in his prime, but I think Jason Campbell is going to be better, maybe as soon as 2008.

[5RINGS]

Hello All.

I've been in rehab since Tony Romo bobbled a pooch kick field goal.

Question: There is a rumour that Charlie Casserly might be coming to Dallas as a Associate GM type.

What was his time like in Washington?

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

I've been in rehab since Tony Romo bobbled a pooch kick field goal.

.. .that just made my day...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Hello All.

I've been in rehab since Tony Romo bobbled a pooch kick field goal.

Question: There is a rumour that Charlie Casserly might be coming to Dallas as a Associate GM type.

What was his time like in Washington?

Turner and Casserly together again? WTF?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Hello All.

I've been in rehab since Tony Romo bobbled a pooch kick field goal.

Question: There is a rumour that Charlie Casserly might be coming to Dallas as a Associate GM type.

What was his time like in Washington?

He passed on Reggie Bush for Mario Williams