Are we adressing our D-line?

[Crat92]

If he is gone early, I like this Carriker(sp?) kid from Nebraska

[PorterHouse]

It would be nice not to be laughed at on draft day, or only have one 1st day pick.

[SkinsFanSince91]

what are u talking about?! Landry is an obvious upgrade over Pierson P!!! PLus he posseses an upside that PP has already reached at 30+ years old.

As for Springs, I was refereing to everyone saying that he should play FS now that we have smoot. BEAT!! Let him stay at CB and get Laron Landry to play FS. He and Calvin Johnson are the most sure players in the draft, and they can both step in, play every down, and be impact players their first year in the league.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

what are u talking about?! Landry is an obvious upgrade over Pierson P!!! PLus he posseses an upside that PP has already reached at 30+ years old.

no one's arguing that he's better than PP, but stud DL are MUCH harder to get and the upgrade over the crap we have on the DL is MUCH MUCH greater than the upgrade from PP to landry at safety.

you can plug in a vet min safety and get decent production. if you try to plug in a vet min DE, you'll end up with a terrible defense.

[That Guy]

minnesota has GOOD DTs, there's an outside chance they look at DE, but unless someone else trades into that spot, i doubt there's even a chance that a DT goes at #7.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by That Guy

minnesota has GOOD DTs, there's an outside chance they look at DE, but unless someone else trades into that spot, i doubt there's even a chance that a DT goes at #7.

exactly

[SkinsFanSince91]

If we trade down and get extra picks from Houston or Buffalo...I still think we should take Laron Landry from LSU. Thats if we get extra picks. Then our defensive backfield would be complete. No more long plays, cuz we have a 4-yr starter and 2 time all american playing center field with Sean Taylor playing underneath like a bigger, stronger, and faster Polamalu.

With the extra picks we can plug holes on that line. Branch, Adams, Okoye, and Anderson, all of the guys that we are looking at, are all boom-or-bust picks. Landry is the safest, most reliable pick that we can take. he can come in immediately and make us better without equivocation.


Now if we trade with denver then we have to take a D Lineman around the 25th pick, but if not LAndry is our man

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

If we trade down and get extra picks from Houston or Buffalo...I still think we should take Laron Landry from LSU. Thats if we get extra picks. Then our defensive backfield would be complete. No more long plays, cuz we have a 4-yr starter and 2 time all american playing center field with Sean Taylor playing underneath like a bigger, stronger, and faster Polamalu.

With the extra picks we can plug holes on that line. Branch, Adams, Okoye, and Anderson, all of the guys that we are looking at, are all boom-or-bust picks. Landry is the safest, most reliable pick that we can take. he can come in immediately and make us better without equivocation.


Now if we trade with denver then we have to take a D Lineman around the 25th pick, but if not LAndry is our man

Ain't no way, no how.

If we don't shore up that awful defensive line, opponents will run up and down Pennsylvania Avenue on us. And Landry, or whoever else they stick in the secondary won't matter one iota.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

If we trade down and get extra picks from Houston or Buffalo...I still think we should take Laron Landry from LSU. Thats if we get extra picks. Then our defensive backfield would be complete. No more long plays, cuz we have a 4-yr starter and 2 time all american playing center field with Sean Taylor playing underneath like a bigger, stronger, and faster Polamalu.

With the extra picks we can plug holes on that line. Branch, Adams, Okoye, and Anderson, all of the guys that we are looking at, are all boom-or-bust picks. Landry is the safest, most reliable pick that we can take. he can come in immediately and make us better without equivocation.


Now if we trade with denver then we have to take a D Lineman around the 25th pick, but if not LAndry is our man

I think Landry is a good pick, but considering all the talent we have in the secondary, I'd only want him if Carriker, Branch, AND Okoye were gone.

We spent a lot of high picks in our secondary the last three seasons.

Also, 4 year starters like Okoye and Adams are guys who there is just as much film on as Landry. You're designation of the DL guys as "boom or bust" seems somewhat unfounded and arbitrary.

I agree that when a guy comes out of college early, theres always a bigger risk drafting him high than if the same player waited until after his senior year to come out, and Landry WAS a 4 year starter, but you can't just declare a guy boom or bust and assume it to be accurate.

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Landry is a good pick, but considering all the talent we have in the secondary, I'd only want him if Carriker, Branch, AND Okoye were gone.

We spent a lot of high picks in our secondary the last three seasons.

Also, 4 year starters like Okoye and Adams are guys who there is just as much film on as Landry. You're designation of the DL guys as "boom or bust" seems somewhat unfounded and arbitrary.

I agree that when a guy comes out of college early, theres always a bigger risk drafting him high than if the same player waited until after his senior year to come out, and Landry WAS a 4 year starter, but you can't just declare a guy boom or bust and assume it to be accurate.

Okay. My opinion is only "arbitrary" because I did not have the time to qualify as to why those men are all boom or bust prospects.

First off, in every scouting report that we have seen on Landry, his only negative is either his size, speed, or timing of jumps to defend passes. His timing can easily be coached up. At the combine he measured at 6'2" 213 lbs., ran a 4.35 40 yd dash, 37 in vertical, and pressed 225 lbs. around 20 times. So those questions are immediately laid to rest.

Adams is a great player, but he is undersized for one at 261 lbs. That would prevent him from being on the field for all downs. He would get bullied by the average NFL tackle at 328 lbs.

Anderson has the size, but is coming off a freakishly good season and has yet to face the double teams that great DE's get the second time around. He also has been known to take a play or series of plays off. When he gets to the NFL he is gonna have to go all out every down. Especially if we take him high.

Branch is a monster in the middle, but suffers the same criticisms as Anderson. He takes too many plays off. And for anyone reading that has been on a team, that is one of the most egregious things that you can do while on the field. Plays get missed because of people taking plays off. Then one has to wonder, which version of the player will show up for the game - The beast or the Sloth.

If we trade, but dont trade out of the top 10, then we need the surest and most immediate impact player available. At that positions, hands down the best candidate is Landry. We can still use the acquired pick to get a DT or a DE/pass rush specialist in the 2nd-3rd round (a la MArk Anderson Chi Bears - 5 round pick with 12 sacks).

Furthermore, it wasnt our run defense that was suspect last year as much as it was out pass defense. The skins lead the league in plays allowed over 20 yards! Horrible!!! We have done well fortifying that with our FA signing, but we still need a "TRUE" free safety. Its not Taylor and it damn sure aint Sean Springs! LAron People!! Then plug holes with our new picks.

FOCKER OUT!!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

Furthermore, it wasnt our run defense that was suspect last year as much as it was [our] pass defense.

FOCKER OUT!!

The Redskins overall defensive rankings for 2006:

#23 against the pass

#27 against the run

Not only that, we've already upgraded our secondary with free agency. Not so for the D-line.

[Beemnseven]

Skinsfansince91, I'll ask you again, since you keep ignoring it -- what good is a "sure thing" at safety when your defensive line gets ripped to shreds and Landry is forced to make tackles 10-15 yards later?

You need penetration up front FIRST. We didn't have that, and Golston, who everybody just raves about is part of the line that got us a #27 ranking against the run last year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

Okay. My opinion is only "arbitrary" because I did not have the time to qualify as to why those men are all boom or bust prospects.

First off, in every scouting report that we have seen on Landry, his only negative is either his size, speed, or timing of jumps to defend passes. His timing can easily be coached up. At the combine he measured at 6'2" 213 lbs., ran a 4.35 40 yd dash, 37 in vertical, and pressed 225 lbs. around 20 times. So those questions are immediately laid to rest.

Adams is a great player, but he is undersized for one at 261 lbs. That would prevent him from being on the field for all downs. He would get bullied by the average NFL tackle at 328 lbs.

Anderson has the size, but is coming off a freakishly good season and has yet to face the double teams that great DE's get the second time around. He also has been known to take a play or series of plays off. When he gets to the NFL he is gonna have to go all out every down. Especially if we take him high.

Branch is a monster in the middle, but suffers the same criticisms as Anderson. He takes too many plays off. And for anyone reading that has been on a team, that is one of the most egregious things that you can do while on the field. Plays get missed because of people taking plays off. Then one has to wonder, which version of the player will show up for the game - The beast or the Sloth.

If we trade, but dont trade out of the top 10, then we need the surest and most immediate impact player available. At that positions, hands down the best candidate is Landry. We can still use the acquired pick to get a DT or a DE/pass rush specialist in the 2nd-3rd round (a la MArk Anderson Chi Bears - 5 round pick with 12 sacks).

Furthermore, it wasnt our run defense that was suspect last year as much as it was out pass defense. The skins lead the league in plays allowed over 20 yards! Horrible!!! We have done well fortifying that with our FA signing, but we still need a "TRUE" free safety. Its not Taylor and it damn sure aint Sean Springs! LAron People!! Then plug holes with our new picks.

FOCKER OUT!!

Couldn't it also be said that a college safety is only involved on a few plays a game, and likewise could be labeled boom or bust?

[PorterHouse]

I really like this kid Landry. Damn it would be nice to have two hammers back there, but eveyone is so hell bent ont the d-line. I think Goldton< Salavea are sufficiant. Maybe they need to work harder or somethin. Tell me how that would make them play if everyone is callin for there heads and "The Guru" (G. Williams) believes in em and lets them control there own fate. I believe they can do it. Our whole problem wasnt the d-line last year, and all we didwas make our D better. Dont forget our offense wasnt the greatest in the league. We still have a rb cotraversy.

[That Guy]

um, you can get starting safeties on the waiver wire, you CANNOT get impact DL there, and golston and big joe are NOT nearly good enough... i thought last year helped prove that.