Skins stuck at No. 6?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Bowe a top 5 pick? Really?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think, in my opinion at least, there are several good lineman but none particularly stand head and shoulders above the rest. For example DT Okoye is seen as top 10 pick, while DT Justin Harrell is seen as a bottom of the first round pick. I think the gap talent wise is much smaller than that

As I said in earlier thread on this subject, I don't want to waste a #6 pick on a lineman just because we have a need, only to find out next draft we have the same need. Unless 1 of these linemen can dominate his position we should either trade down, and maybe get a merriman out of miami, and a Jarvis Moss/Carriker type. Or draft the best safety in the draft, Landry, He would make a huge difference compared to AA whom teams attacked at will. We also know that there are teams picking behind us that want him so it's great strategy to start giving him a big look, that will give us leverage to start trading down, how bout we move 2 spots and gain a 2nd rd pick from Atlanta who apparently is in love with Landry. Now that would give us some more bargaining power to trade down again perhaps with Carolina for a 3rd, and just maybe 1 more trade for a 2nd or 3rd before we start addressing several needs rather than 1.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Those are all very plausible trade scenarios and ones that would work out quite nicely. If we could indeed parlay our 6th pick for Okoye and a guy like Woodley, I would be estatic. It would be nice to add two young D-linemen - aging D-line instantly solved.

Absolutely. That would be the most ideal situation.

I'm not holding my breath that it happens though. If we could get Okoye, I'd be happy regardless of what else happened.

The most plausible draft option for the Skins is to draft Okoye at six. If we take Landry or Gaines Adams, it really does spell the end for Carter or Taylor respectively. Taylor might be allowed to play out his contract alongside Landry, but we aren't going to give him a new deal if we have a much better player in Landry already.

The way I see it, Carter and Taylor, although merely above average players, could be pieces we build around for the future. Okoye would be helpful talent to build around them. But Landry and Adams would be replacing some key veterans thus and prolonging the rebuilding process.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

AmobiOkoyeAmobiOkoyeGoodCallBangAmobiOkoye.

Remember, just because the Redskins don't have anything on the table now doesn't mean they are smokescreening or won't have anything on the table in three weeks from now.

The "correct" move (As GTripp has decided--take it with at least a grain of salt) would be to pick Okoye at 6. To me, this is a no brainer selection. He's probably going to be one of the top 5 players drafted in the first round of this draft (along with Quinn, Thomas, Landry and Dwayne Bowe/Adams), and is going to prove a good value wherever he gets taken.

The most ideal situation would be to be able to trade down a few spots and STILL get Okoye. But the chances of being able to pull this off are rare, and the risk of the one player who could really help us being taken doesn't outweigh the reward of an extra draft pick or two.

I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

As I said in earlier thread on this subject, I don't want to waste a #6 pick on a lineman just because we have a need, only to find out next draft we have the same need. Unless 1 of these linemen can dominate his position we should either trade down, and maybe get a merriman out of miami, and a Jarvis Moss/Carriker type. Or draft the best safety in the draft, Landry, He would make a huge difference compared to AA whom teams attacked at will. We also know that there are teams picking behind us that want him so it's great strategy to start giving him a big look, that will give us leverage to start trading down, how bout we move 2 spots and gain a 2nd rd pick from Atlanta who apparently is in love with Landry. Now that would give us some more bargaining power to trade down again perhaps with Carolina for a 3rd, and just maybe 1 more trade for a 2nd or 3rd before we start addressing several needs rather than 1.

Jarvis Moss and Carriker are about as far from each other in type as two ends can be. Theres a 45 LB difference between the two.

Amobi Okoye!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Absolutely. That would be the most ideal situation.

I'm not holding my breath that it happens though. If we could get Okoye, I'd be happy regardless of what else happened.

But Landry and Adams would be replacing some key veterans thus and prolonging the rebuilding process.

Yeah, the reason I said it was plausible is that there is a lot of talk of the Falcons pursuing Landry. Granted it's just talk and we've heard a lot of rumors lately, but it's definately one that makes sense. Atlanta needs safety help and Landry is great talent. Moreover, Atlanta has a lot of picks.

I also agree that Adams wouldn't be the best choice given Carter, but Landry wouldn't replace Taylor. I think Taylor and Landry would be a nice duo and we have no one to play opposite Taylor for the next few years.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?

What? Are you talking height or talent?

If you are talking height, 6' 1" seems adequate at least. Most DTs are 6' 3" or 6' 4", and although every inch helps, 6' 1" isn't exactly small. If anything, it will help him play with leverage vs. the run against bigger interior linemen.

Remember, he was dominant at the college level and his height was just as much of a factor there if not more than it will be at the professional level.

If you are talking about talent, I completely disagree. He's going to grow roughly at the same rate that ALL DT's do. The difference is he's legitmately the best DT prospect in the last few drafts as of right now, and he's going to be one of the most dominant DT's in the league in a few years. You can't ever have the maximum possible amount of experience. There's no such thing. Every player in the league, including Peyton Manning, can always improve his understanding of the game and his opponents. Okoye just has a big starting advantage over every other DL in this draft class.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Warren Sapp is "just" 6'2". Speaking of Sapp, did anyone realize the guy had TEN sacks last season?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Absolutely. That would be the most ideal situation.

I'm not holding my breath that it happens though. If we could get Okoye, I'd be happy regardless of what else happened.

The most plausible draft option for the Skins is to draft Okoye at six. If we take Landry or Gaines Adams, it really does spell the end for Carter or Taylor respectively. Taylor might be allowed to play out his contract alongside Landry, but we aren't going to give him a new deal if we have a much better player in Landry already.

The way I see it, Carter and Taylor, although merely above average players, could be pieces we build around for the future. Okoye would be helpful talent to build around them. But Landry and Adams would be replacing some key veterans thus and prolonging the rebuilding process.

Gtripp, I really have to start questioning your eye for talent, first you have Bowe going in the top 5, then you have Taylor out the door because Landry is a better player if we draft him? Are you kidding? You don't draft 1 safety to replace a young all pro safety who's proven, and I would fall over if Landry turned out to be as much as equal to Taylor as a football player, if Landry is drafted it's to compliment Taylor as well as free him up to free lance a little more and allow him to ball hawk and go for the big hit, as well to provide more help for our CB's. Carter IMO was a waste, we saw last season why the 9ers tried to move him to LB, but to say it's the end of him? There is such a thing as a salary cap, good luck dumping his contract.

I would like to know what's so great about Okoye? Other than the fact that he play's D-line?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Jarvis Moss and Carriker are about as far from each other in type as two ends can be. Theres a 45 LB difference between the two.

Amobi Okoye!

Point being????????????????????

[jrocx69]

Originally Posted by offiss

I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?

he's only 19 and maybe only 6'1 but is very smart and very big and quick. everytime i see film i like him more and more. and branch is just to big of a reach at #6. i wouldnt mind seeing landry drafted either, after seeing the db's last season (especially SS) i would love to solidify the safety position and landry is one of the most "sure picks" along with calvin johnson and patrick willis.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Okoye's pretty dominant offiss. I wish I could say I closely followed his college career, but I did not. However, in reading the scouting reports I became really interested in the guy. Then, watching him at the Senior Bowl and in the Senior Bowl practices, I was really impressed. He was absolutely devastating double-teams.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

i would love to solidify the safety position and landry is one of the most "sure picks" along with calvin johnson and patrick willis.

Yeah, had we not gotten Fletcher, I would've supported going after Willis after trading down. Like Okoye, I fell in love with the guy after learning about him (hence my "I heart Patrick Willis" threads from a few months ago).

[KLHJ2]

I believe that Carriker is better suited for the 3-4 as a DE because of his size.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I also agree that Adams wouldn't be the best choice given Carter, but Landry wouldn't replace Taylor. I think Taylor and Landry would be a nice duo and we have no one to play opposite Taylor for the next few years.

For one thing, when it comes time to pay them the big bucks, we won't be able to afford to pay both. If we were to pay Taylor when his contract came up, we wouldn't be able to give Landry much when his rookie deal ran out.

Also, isn't using two top ten picks in a span of 4 drafts on a position as fungible as safety always a bad idea?

If Sean Taylor really was everything we wanted in a safety, there would be no reason to go get Landry when players like Prioleau or Stoutmire can step in at little cost with virtually no dropoff. To me, for one, taking Landry this high would essentially be admitting that taking Taylor at no. 5 in 2004 was a mistake.

It very well might have been. I kinda see ST as a bit of a Roy Williams effect, a guy who's skill set is just not cut out to be successful with the way the game is being played today. While I think Taylor's top end potential is as a slightly above league average safety, and Williams is as a below league average safety, I'll be really surprised if Taylor ever justifies the 6th pick.

I think Landry is much more cut out for the game that is being played today and his 4 years of playing experience at LSU make him a dream safety prospect, but two top 6 picks playing safety for your team seems like the definition of overkill.

If we had used the ST pick on Tommie Harris, who is best comparable I can give you to Amobi Okoye, we wouldn't be having this discussion. We'd just be drafting Landry. But because we took Taylor, I say we live with our decision, and take Okoye to stop some of the DL bleeding.

I don't know whos going to be the better NFL player, Okoye or Landry. Both are wonderful, top 5 prospects. But I know who the Skins need to take.

So, yeah, I agree that Taylor and Landry would play side by side for a few years, but we'd still have no real pass rush to save Taylor from some weak cover skills. He'd be victimized all season long.