Taylor Reports to OTAs

[FRPLG]

Superbowl here we come!

[Hog1]

Sorry bout' that! Too little, TOOOO late. Trade his ass for Sam Adams, and we'll convert him to safety!

[Defensewins]

I am tired and pissed with these OTA alarmists. If the world will implode when a top player misses a "VOLUNTARY" work out in May, then don't make them "VOLUNTARY"! F-ing Morons!
Talk about sending mixed signals. These work outs are voluntary but if you miss one than your reputation is trashed publicly in the press. Why?

NOTE to NFL Management, coaches and morons in the press:
GET YOUR S*#IT TOGETHER!
Look up the word "VOLUNTARY" in the dictionary and use it in a sentence.
Learn it...live it or else change the voluntary part of OTA's. You can not have it both ways.
One more thing, I do not like the practice of the Redskins and Gibbs airing private player situations in the press. It is between the team and the player and does not involve anyone else. The Patriots do a much better job handling their personnel issues behind closed doors. It is a respect thing and I do not like it when a player or team uses the press to get what they want.
It lacks class and is childish.
Gibbs needs to stop vocalizing everything that runs through his mind to the press. It is not a good practice in any business.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I am tired and pissed with these OTA alarmists. If the world will implode when a top player misses a "VOLUNTARY" work out in May, then don't make them "VOLUNTARY"! F-ing Morons!
Talk about sending mixed signals. These work outs are voluntary but if you miss one than your reputation is trashed publicly in the press. Why?

NOTE to NFL Management, coaches and morons in the press:
GET YOUR S*#IT TOGETHER!
Look up the word "VOLUNTARY" in the dictionary and use it in a sentence.
Learn it...live it or else change the voluntary part of OTA's. You can not have it both ways.
One more thing, I do not like the practice of the Redskins and Gibbs airing private player situations in the press. It is between the team and the player and does not involve anyone else. The Patriots do a much better job handling their personnel issues behind closed doors. It is a respect thing and I do not like it when a player or team uses the press to get what they want.
It lacks class and is childish.
Gibbs needs to stop vocalizing everything that runs through his mind to the press. It is not a good practice in any business.

Could not have said it better myself. OTA's are not mandatory! Every NFL team has guys that don't show up to OTA's. Come Sept. who the hell is going to care? But it's May and it's the only thing to talk about.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

One more thing, I do not like the practice of the Redskins and Gibbs airing private player situations in the press. It is between the team and the player and does not involve anyone else. The Patriots do a much better job handling their personnel issues behind closed doors. It is a respect thing and I do not like it when a player or team uses the press to get what they want.
It lacks class and is childish.
Gibbs needs to stop vocalizing everything that runs through his mind to the press. It is not a good practice in any business.

Not sure what you're talking about... Gibbs rarely gives the press much of anything to chew on. In this case he simply said he lost contact with Taylor and Springs which was the truth. I don't think the situation was anything of a sensitive nature that shouldn't have been out there in the media.

[Oakland Red]

Good decision by Sean Taylor to report to camp. Whether something is voluntary or not doesn't say whether it is good or not to do - it just means you have the option to choose.

Is it better that Sean Taylor come to camp with everyone else, if the goal is working together as a team, and contributing to team harmony? Of course. Co-operation means:

1.an act or instance of working or acting together for a common purpose or benefit; joint action.

Co-operation is good if the goal is team success; holding out is not.

As for the idea that Coach Gibbs erred in talking about the week long Sean Taylor holdout, I wonder what he might have done otherwise.

(FAKE) Interview:

Reporter: Coach, I notice that Sean Taylor is not here. Can you comment on why?

Coach Gibbs: Is Sean not here?

Reporter: Yes, apparently he is still in Florida.

Coach Gibbs: It must be nice down there. Hope he's enjoying the weather.

Reporter: Coach, have you talked to Sean?

Coach Gibbs: Do you mean by that, communicate with him verbally?

Reporter: Yes.

Coach Gibbs: Well, I don't think I can say anything about that. That's Redskins' business.

Reporter: So, it's not the business of the Redskins community, meaning the fans?

Coach Gibbs: Certainly not. The fans have no right to know what is going on. We take care of issues "in house." If you're a fan, you're "out-house."

Reporter: So the fans should not be allowed to know if a player is refusing to communicate with the head coach and the team?

Coach Gibbs: Nope.

Reporter: So, fans should be kept in the dark, and issues whitewashed, and the elephant in the corner of the room should be ignored, despite all the concern that fans will have anyway about Sean's absence?

Coach Gibbs: Right. In-house is in-house, the out-house is the out-house. Fan concern is not something we worry about.


Coach Gibbs cares about the fans enormously, and I think it was entirely appropriate that he let everyone know that half his starting secondary was (and one still is) refusing to communicate. We are a community and while you can't share everything that goes on (contract negotiations) you want to share what you can, so the fans are not excluded from information of interest to any person with a serious interest in the welfare of the team. Being as inclusive as possible is the best policy.

[Longtimefan]

I'm glad Sean made that decision, and it further demonstrates why we should sometimes hold off on our initial response to a situation until it plays itself completely out. His decision was the right one, and a good one.

Had we just waited for Favre to make-up and change his mind again, there would not have been a thread about his initial stated desire.

[724Skinsfan]

I never understood the fuss. I mean, you can't spell TAYLOR w/o O-T-A.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I never understood the fuss. I mean, you can't spell TAYLOR w/o O-T-A.

I never understood the fuss either, and I agree in part with Defensewins when he spoke about the OTA's being voluntary. They can't be a voluntary and mandatory exercise all in one. I do however, understand the desire to have everyone present for the sake of "TEAM" but as someone else stated, this is May, whose going to care come Sept.

I only mentioned Favre because I have witnessed him make statements about retirement before, only to change his mind later. I decided to wait before comment, thinking he just might do the same thing again, and he did.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure what you're talking about... Gibbs rarely gives the press much of anything to chew on. In this case he simply said he lost contact with Taylor and Springs which was the truth. I don't think the situation was anything of a sensitive nature that shouldn't have been out there in the media.

But it became sensitive in nature because of the way he talked to the press about it and they took it and ran with it.
Gibbs should backed his players and replied, ' It is a voluntary work out and there is no obligation to be at the OTA's. Springs and Taylor made the choice not to be there, end of story.'
But by Gibbs addressing the question and adding that he "lost contact" of two adults that have no obligations to him at this time of year created this whole stupid episode.
When I am on vacation, I have no obligation to drop everything and call my boss back immediately unless it is a work emergency, which this clearly was not an emergency.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

But it became sensitive in nature because of the way he talked to the press about it and they took it and ran with it.
Gibbs should backed his players and replied, ' It is a voluntary work out and there is no obligation to be at the OTA's. Springs and Taylor made the choice not to be there, end of story.'
But by Gibbs addressing the question and adding that he "lost contact" of two adults that have no obligations to him at this time of year created this whole stupid episode.
When I am on vacation, I have no obligation to drop everything and call my boss back immediately unless it is a work emergency, which this clearly was not an emergency.

You really don't think the press would have ran with it regardless of what he said?? If he said the workouts are voluntary so they don't have to be there, they would have seen right through that, c'mon now.

[dmek25]

was offiss present for the sean taylor is holding out tirade? i want names, damnit

[MTK]

Originally Posted by dmek25

was offiss present for the sean taylor is holding out tirade? i want names, damnit

Just look through this thread

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...miss-otas.html

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just look through this thread

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...miss-otas.html

I just went back and slogged through the 8 pages of thread and that is about right. When I actually read the posts it seemed like more people were over reacting in the other direction, that is arguing with the decided minority who said it was a major contractual issue. Seemed like most people assumed that others were making a big deal out of the contract concerns and then made a big deal in the other direction (if that makes any sense). In any case, certainly no need for anyone (save perhaps Sally Jenkins) to really renounce their sins publicly.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Here's an even better one for you, Matty...

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post310111

Too bad SmootSmack2.0 felt the need to lock it up, because it might be fun right about now.