Belichick...Best of All Time????

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well you could use the same agument w/ Gibbs 1 and Gibbs 2.

Gibbs 1 had a GM and Gibbs 2 does not.

Gibbs is unique though in how spread out his tenures are...he came back into a completely different league. But yes he is the perfect example of how even the best of coaches need a good GM to succeed.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

I dont know why everyone is saying no way in hell, I'm not saying that he is, but I think it is a possibility that he is. He is a genious in all aspects of the game. He adjusts his coaching appropriatly to every situation, and is very innovative in the way he does things. Like how he never had less than 4 LBs on the field against the Eagles in his last super bowl. When you are good enough that 3 of your coordinators in the past 3 years (I think that is right) have been hired to become head coaches because they worked under you, then you are definately a possible canidate for best coach of all time.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

I dont know why everyone is saying no way in hell, I'm not saying that he is, but I think it is a possibility that he is. He is a genious in all aspects of the game. He adjusts his coaching appropriatly to every situation, and is very innovative in the way he does things. Like how he never had less than 4 LBs on the field against the Eagles in his last super bowl. When you are good enough that 3 of your coordinators in the past 3 years (I think that is right) have been hired to become head coaches because they worked under you, then you are definately a possible canidate for best coach of all time.

Would you say the same for Mike Holmgren ? He's had a couple of his former assistants get HC jobs or at least be considered for them. I say no way in hell because he simply isn't in my opinion. The fact that he kept 4 LB's on the field against the Eagles just means that's the scheme he went with that day. Yes he is innovative but that doesn't throw him over Lombardi, Walsh, or Shula of course in my opinion.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Would you say the same for Mike Holmgren ? He's had a couple of his former assistants get HC jobs or at least be considered for them. I say no way in hell because he simply isn't in my opinion. The fact that he kept 4 LB's on the field against the Eagles just means that's the scheme he went with that day. Yes he is innovative but that doesn't throw him over Lombardi, Walsh, or Shula of course in my opinion.

I know that 4 LB's was just the scheme he had that day, but he never had less than 4 LB's, and when going against a multi reciever set team like the eagles, that is a ballsy move. There is no real point in bringing this up besides that I am still impressed by his scheme that day. I still cant see how not going into a nickle or dime package even once the whole game could ever work against the powerful pass offense of the eagles, but somehow it did.

Also, not so many of Holmgren's coordinators in such a short period of time were considered for HC job.

[SmootSmack]

Isn't the article about best right now, not necessarily best all time? Also, yes he didn't have a lot of success in Cleveland. But isn't that part of what makes him great? His ability to learn and be better? Granted, not everyone gets a second chance.

Also, if he had won just one Super Bowl where do you guys think Levy would rank all-time?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Isn't the article about best right now, not necessarily best all time? Also, yes he didn't have a lot of success in Cleveland. But isn't that part of what makes him great? His ability to learn and be better? Granted, not everyone gets a second chance.

Also, if he had won just one Super Bowl where do you guys think Levy would rank all-time?

i say top 15 now the super bowl win i think if he had one he would still be top 15

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Isn't the article about best right now, not necessarily best all time? Also, yes he didn't have a lot of success in Cleveland. But isn't that part of what makes him great? His ability to learn and be better? Granted, not everyone gets a second chance.

Also, if he had won just one Super Bowl where do you guys think Levy would rank all-time?

True well then if we're talking about right now then yeah he's the best right now, hands down. I just threw up in my mouth a bit just now. NO NO NO IT'S GIBBS IT'S GIBBS,.... ahhhhhhh that's better. No but seriously, he is. I just hate how everyone gets on their knees and gives him a good ol prize winning BJ for whatever he does.

Also i was thinking about Levy because while he never won the big one he made it there 4 times. 4 times his team was the best in his Conference, and they were always pretty competitive as well. I think he should be top 10 if not top 15.

[Redskin Rich]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

True well then if we're talking about right now then yeah he's the best right now, hands down. I just threw up in my mouth a bit just now. NO NO NO IT'S GIBBS IT'S GIBBS,.... ahhhhhhh that's better. No but seriously, he is. I just hate how everyone gets on their knees and gives him a good ol prize winning BJ for whatever he does.

Also i was thinking about Levy because while he never won the big one he made it there 4 times. 4 times his team was the best in his Conference, and they were always pretty competitive as well. I think he should be top 10 if not top 15.

Levy??? Is not in the discussion... If you remember, the AFC sucked in that era... Just like now the AFC is the dominate conference, the NFC had that era... The Raiders won in 1984 and not until the Broncos in 98 did another AFC team win the big game.

[memphisskin]

Quick answer, no. Best of this era, yes.

[Redskin Rich]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Cleveland is tough, can't dismiss it because it did happen, but whoa what a bounce back. But as far as coaches go I'd have to go with Parcells over Belichick because his least successful stop was Dallas and he still made the playoffs twice there. (Yaaaak! Ralph! Earl! Recch! :vomit

I'd go

1. Lombardi
2. Shula
3. Gibbs
4. Noll
5. Walsh

Belichick is in the discussion, and if/when he wins another SB (Brady to Moss should have been banned) then he's top 5.

Memphis,

Let me ask you a question. For EACH of Parcells Super Bowl appearances... who was his defensive coordinator? What did he accomplish the years with the Patriots and Cowboys without that coordinator vs what he accomplished with him??? He did squat in NE without Belichick and backed into the playoffs 2 times with the cowgirls.

[MTK]

4 Super Bowls in a row is still pretty impressive.

You have to admire how he kept that team together and kept them coming back for more with each Super Bowl loss.

[Redskin Rich]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

4 Super Bowls in a row is still pretty impressive.

You have to admire how he kept that team together and kept them coming back for more with each Super Bowl loss.

Yes, and he is a great guy too... former George Allen assistant... but not one of the top 5 all time

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Redskin Rich

Yes, and he is a great guy too... former George Allen assistant... but not one of the top 5 all time

Def. not top 5.

He's somewhere in the discussion though when talking about the top 25 or so.

[SmootSmack]

What about Sid Gillman? He's got to be up there

[Redskin Rich]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about Sid Gillman? He's got to be up there

Not in the top 5.... we need a new thread... and have it with a cut off of top 5 or 10... see what people think.