Free Scooter Libby

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

From your link:

"But Washington's plea for clemency raised substantial issues, which called for thoughtful, fair-minded consideration, not the least of which was the fact that Washington's mental handicap had never been presented to the jury that condemned him to death."

If he were retarded in the way most people think of that term then the jury wouldn't have had to have it explained to them. It would have been obvious. Anyone can score really low on an IQ test. At any rate, Bill Clinton was executing retarded people when Bush was just a baseball owner:

Ricky Ray Rector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't understand what your point is. I guess the same principle that applied to Washington applies to Libby as well. His defense team sucked and a jury convicted him. Again, why should Libby get special treatment?

As for Clinton and Rector fiasco, the whole thing was a disgusting display of a self preservation on Clinton's part. It's cruel.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't understand what your point is. I guess the same principle that applied to Washington applies to Libby as well. His defense team sucked and a jury convicted him. Again, why should Libby get special treatment?

As for Clinton and Rector fiasco, the whole thing was a disgusting display of a self preservation on Clinton's part. It's cruel.

1. I think one of Hitchens points is that Libby is getting special treatment in the negative sense. Nobody else would have been prosecuted for this or sentenced so harshly.

2. When I hear the word retarded, I think special olympics. These guys are just really dim and they probably weren't exactly going all out to do their best on those IQ tests either. Also, I respect Sister Helen and her devotion to her cause, but she would be opposed to the death penalty for someone who had an IQ over 200 as well, wouldn't she?

3. The ironic thing about Clinton is that he stil got the same 43% of the vote that Dukakis got and Dukakis would have never signed anyone's death warrant. If he actually went against his consiense in that case, which I would question the existence of one as far as he goes, he ultimately did it for nothing.

[dmek25]

Libby is just the fall guy. but, to be the fall guy, you have to take the fall. he was wrong, and belongs in jail. why all the fuss? old goofball Bush will pardon him, anyway

[firstdown]

If Libby would have just donated some money like these guy's.
Judicial Watch

[skinsfan_nn]

No suprise here.

[djnemo65]

FRPLG, out of curiosity, if Libby was really guilty of the crime he was convicted of - in other words if he really did lie rather then misremember events - would you still support Bush's decision to commute his sentence?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

FRPLG, out of curiosity, if Libby was really guilty of the crime he was convicted of - in other words if he really did lie rather then misremember events - would you still support Bush's decision to commute his sentence?

If he was really guilty then no. I do not know what a standard sentencing would have been but I would have been in favor of a standard sentence.

[dmek25]

Libby was found GUILTY by a jury of his peers on 2 counts, one of perjury, the other on obstruction of justice. the judge had nothing to do with that. i don't remember isn't a defense. as 12th remembered, Mr Bush SAID he would fire ANYONE that is convicted of this, no matter who it was. the president has the power to make this go away, but why all the back tracking?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

Libby was found GUILTY by a jury of his peers on 2 counts, one of perjury, the other on obstruction of justice. the judge had nothing to do with that. i don't remember isn't a defense. as 12th remembered, Mr Bush SAID he would fire ANYONE that is convicted of this, no matter who it was. the president has the power to make this go away, but why all the back tracking?

He quit so Bush could not have fired him and if I'm correct he said he would fire the person found to have leaked her name. Which latter was found out was not illegal and second the person investigating the leak allready knew who leaked this information. Where you as tough on Bill Clinton when he pardond those 24 pages of people when he left office?

[FRPLG]

I am confused why everyone thinks Bush went back on his word? He didn't say he wouldn't pardon or commute anyone's sentcen. He aid he'd fire them. Well Libby is gone so what is the big deal from that standpoint?

[dmek25]

some of the people Clinton pardoned i was down right pissed about. but then again, Clinton never once said he would fire any of those. for those who always say the president never lies, what do you have to say now? you cannot go into court and use i don't remember as your defense. people in the high positions that these politicians hold are paid to remember. but i do agree that Libby was just the fall guy for some higher ups

[FRPLG]

I am sort of tired of the Bush/Clinton comparisons. Everything is allways "well Bush did this" and "Clinton did that". They both suck in their own ways. I am over that. I feel like it is only a deflective thing anyways. In this case I genuinely feel Libby has gotten shafted and no one with the voice to do ti stood up and said "This is crap"

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am sort of tired of the Bush/Clinton comparisons. Everything is allways "well Bush did this" and "Clinton did that". They both suck in their own ways. I am over that. I feel like it is only a deflective thing anyways. In this case I genuinely feel Libby has gotten shafted and no one with the voice to do ti stood up and said "This is crap"

Excellent take and I completely agree.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Who's Scooter Libby?

lol
I'm a right wing, republican, gun toting, Bible believing guy and I say the guy could have just gone to prision and I would not have cared. All politics aside.

peace

[dmek25]

can anyone in the current administration admit they were wrong?