The legacy of 'W'?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

I really don't get why people register as democrat or a republican. What's the point? You can't vote outside your party in the primaries in a number states now unless you're a registered as an independent.

I'm not sure if the rule has change bu when I first registered to vote, I had to pick a party because otherwise I wouldn't be allowed to vote in my state's primaries. Otherwise, I would have registered as an Independent

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm registered as independent

That is actually something we have in common.
I feel it is better for me to be an independant cause I feel my vote carries more weight. Dems already count on Dems to vote for them, and Rep. already count on Rep. to vote for them...independants are the wild card.

[drew54]

Bush has had some terrible things happen under his watch.
9/11, and Hurricanes Katrina and Rita are probably the worst.

At the time of 9/11 I would say that 95% of America thought we needed to do something in order to prevent future attacks. Now weather you believe going to war with Afghanistan was the right answer or not, everyone wanted some kind of action taken. When it was, people were happy, and agreed with the move. As time has gone by, we are not seeing the results that we expected, and people are now against the idea.

As for he Hurricanes, I think that he really dropped the ball on this situation. I know that millions of dollars were poured into helping, but under a non War time, the National Guard would have been down there cleaning up and helping restore order, and rebuild that place.

The fact that the wars have been going on longer than we expected and the amount of effort with the hurricanes will sink Bush towards the bottom of the list. I however have only been alive for 4 presidents, and really I didn't start to care about politics until half way through Clinton. So in MY lifetime, I would say that he is the worst president.

Worst of all time, I am not educated enough on the history of all of our presidents to make a rational comment.

[BigSKINBauer]

I don't have time to read the article right now but, he is a president of war and was the president during 9/11. No matter what, i think 50 years from now he will be seen in a far more positive light just because our high school history books aren't going to demean a president during such intense times. However, i don't think anyone will forget his unprecedented unpopularity among the american people.

Infact this time period may be seen as one of the greatest failures of government in US history. Democrats and Republicans alike suck ass right now. We voted for a new congress and they have done shit. This is going to get dangerous because the wants of the american people are going unaddressed. I mean there is a reason why so many democrats won in the last election but the fact that nothing is happening is disheartening.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Infact this time period may be seen as one of the greatest failures of government in US history. Democrats and Republicans alike suck ass right now. We voted for a new congress and they have done shit. This is going to get dangerous because the wants of the american people are going unaddressed. I mean there is a reason why so many democrats won in the last election but the fact that nothing is happening is disheartening.

This I absolutely agree with.
Of course I would like to say it's cause the Dems have no actual plan, or insights, but I truely feel it's cause they can't play as a team. (they as in everyone) It's like kindergarden all over again and everyone is getting a U under the section of "Plays well with others".

I still hold firm to, well you may hate Bush, but Kerry would have been a complete disaster on a monumental scale. We still chose the lesser of two evils.

[SmootSmack]

Good points, BSB. The Democratic party shouldn't be totally absolved of blame during this era. And, how said is it for them they couldn't find anybody in their party to defeat the "Worst President in History"

Back to Buchanan, for a second. One irony is that he is seen as one of the worst because he held too tightly to what was allowed in the Constitution and allowed the states to secede. Meanwhile, Bush is criticized for playing too loose with the Constitution.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Wow things have gotten testy around here.

[12thMan]

Let me say this too, I'm a Dem...if you hadn't guess that by now. But I'm thoroughly disappointed with the brand of politics we've shown since taking over Congress.

It seems they are so utterely consumed with investigating every tacit of the White House's internal dealings, and yes, corruption. They say they've forgotten about how the Repubs were after Clinton and this is a new day. But every other day, it seems, there is somone new being subpoenaed to the Hill to testify about this or that. And they wonder why people like us are so cynical about our leadership and politics in general.

Let's get on with the business of the Nation and tend to the needs of people that sent you to Washington in the first place! It seems like they prefer investigation over legislation, and I'm damn tired of it!

[FRPLG]

I tend to side with Bush when it comes to many points of view. I think his political tactics suck and curse him every day for how he sold this war, and now how he has managed it. On a personal level I really think the George W Bush is a good guy. I really think he is trying to do the right things. In the end though I hope to God he is looked at as the worst president ever.

If so it would most likely mean:

That he was wrong about the threats that he sees.
That he was wrong about taking to the fight to them on their land.
That he was wrong that knocking down tyranny and building democracy in the middle east will straighten it out.

Really I feel that the only way Bush is looked at as a good President is if the next few Presidents roll back his policies and we end up getting mauled by terrorists due to that. He can only be looked at positively if it is proven that that he was right. I don't want him to ever be proven right. I'd rather us be totally safe and him looked at as terrible.

[saden1]

If we're going to give him credit for low unemployment and interest rate are we going to give him credit for mortgaging the future for temporary high? To be reduced to borrowing from the Chinese is an absolute low.

I'm interested to know who in here manages their personal finances the way the U.S. manages it's finances.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

If we're going to give him credit for low unemployment and interest rate are we going to give him credit for mortgaging the future for temporary high? To be reduced to borrowing from the Chinese is an absolute low.

I'm interested to know who in here manages their personal finances the way the U.S. manages it's finances.

I tell you what...you show me how this is affect me you and the country as a whole, then that post will be of significance to me. Cause right now, it's just a number with no repercussions. Has been so for decades and decades and decades.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I tell you what...you show me how this is affect me you and the country as a whole, then that post will be of significance to me. Cause right now, it's just a number with no repercussions. Has been so for decades and decades and decades.

In the words of the venerable Rick James "I'm rich, bitch!" At least I'd like to be. I'm a bit concerned about inflation and U.S. economy tanking as it is the core engine that drives the world economy.

Enough about me and on to the real issue. The issue is whether we should concern ourselves with the future of the generations that will follow and whether we want to leave them in a financial hole.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by saden1

In the words of the venerable Rick James "I'm rich, bitch!" At least I'd like to be. I'm a bit concerned about inflation and U.S. economy tanking as it is the core engine that drives the world economy.

Enough about me and on to the real issue. The issue is whether we should concern ourselves with the future of the generations that will follow and whether we want to leave them in a financial hole.

The U.S economy will tank but probably not before 2009. Have fun Hillary!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

In the words of the venerable Rick James "I'm rich, bitch!" At least I'd like to be. I'm a bit concerned about inflation and U.S. economy tanking as it is the core engine that drives the world economy.

Enough about me and on to the real issue. The issue is whether we should concern ourselves with the future of the generations that will follow and whether we want to leave them in a financial hole.

Well, I do understand where you're coming from, however, this has been something our great greandparents gave to us and we have yet to be truely hit with it. We always hear about the deficit, but no one knows how it affects us.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, I do understand where you're coming from, however, this has been something our great greandparents gave to us and we have yet to be truely hit with it. We always hear about the deficit, but no one knows how it affects us.

Here's what happens: We go bankrupt when the interest we pay out becomes more than our income. Since we are bankrupt, we can no longer borrow to pay for government services, so lose millions of jobs, including firemen, cops, and soldiers. Since there is such chaos and so many are out of work, there is too little money to pay for the products produced by our companies. The companies then topple, sending millions more out of work. Depression (I sure am glad we've never been hit by one of those before). Gangs of violent hoboes roaming the land. Our country gets its butt kicked by Canada, which walls our poor (everyone) and starving, even though we are willing to work.
jsarno. Have you ever read anything?