Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by IrishSkins Fan

Let me first say that I'm a huge ND fan, and I loved Quinn when he was our QB. He was great for us, and I agree that he probably should have been a top ten pick, although it pisses me off that he and his agent are holding to this perception in their negotiations. What a bunch of shit...I'm sure we all perceive ourselves to be in higher pay grades. While perception is reality in some cases in America this is not one. I agree with all those who posted before saying he hasn't proven shit...and until he does he should take 22nd pick money.

I guess I also see a problem in general with the NFL in this respect, so much of the precious cap money is wasted on shitty ass college prospects that take their first big check and turn into non productive, fat, complaining, bitching, fighting, whining, wastes of money. I mean there is a laundry list of Ryan Leaf's and Lendale White's out there that are dead money for teams...

Ok, time for another beer, I will step down off my soapbox and defer to the kind Gentlemen from elsewhere.

WAR ND
WAR REDSKINS
WAR USMC
God Bless America....and I'm out....

Preach on brotha! And keep drinkin that damn beer!!!!

[Schneed10]

I mean the key questions here are:

- What makes Brady Quinn any different from Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell?

- If the NFL (ie, THE MARKET) had a general consensus in place that Quinn was a top 10 pick, then why did he fall all the way to 22?

Answers:

Quinn's situation is no different from the situations of Rodgers and Campbell.

He fell to 22 because teams felt there were 21 other players who would help their team more. And when some of those teams were offered a trade by anyone interested in trading up for Quinn, the Browns didn't offer enough to make it worthwhile to trade down. That tells me that even the Browns had limits on their opinion of Quinn.

Of course they're going to say "We think Brady Quinn will be a great QB in this league." Doesn't mean he should get paid like Leinart or Carson Palmer. After all, the 'Skins thought Jason Campbell would be great, and he got 8 million over 5 years.

Quinn's got nothing.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I mean the key questions here are:

- What makes Brady Quinn any different from Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell?

- If the NFL (ie, THE MARKET) had a general consensus in place that Quinn was a top 10 pick, then why did he fall all the way to 22?

Because no team from 9-22 needed a quarterback that badly to pick him up.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I mean the key questions here are:

- What makes Brady Quinn any different from Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell?

- If the NFL (ie, THE MARKET) had a general consensus in place that Quinn was a top 10 pick, then why did he fall all the way to 22?

Answers:

Quinn's situation is no different from the situations of Rodgers and Campbell.

He fell to 22 because teams felt there were 21 other players who would help their team more. And when some of those teams were offered a trade by anyone interested in trading up for Quinn, the Browns didn't offer enough to make it worthwhile to trade down. That tells me that even the Browns had limits on their opinion of Quinn.

Of course they're going to say "We think Brady Quinn will be a great QB in this league." Doesn't mean he should get paid like Leinart or Carson Palmer. After all, the 'Skins thought Jason Campbell would be great, and he got 8 million over 5 years.

Quinn's got nothing.

The Cleveland Browns, perennial losers (and likely this next year also) traded a first round pick to move up and get Brady Quinn.

That did not happen in Campbell's case, nor in Rodgers. Thats the difference here.

I don't think hes looking for top ten pay (if he is, Condon is insane). He's just looking to leapfrog a few pay spots because his services are apparently more valuable to Cleveland than Reggie Nelson's are to Jacksonville, or Aaron Ross' are to the Giants.

I don't think many would disagree with that. The Browns leverage is to say that they took him at 22, and he should be paid accordingly, but if they honestly believe they can sell the farm to trade for a guy, and come back and say he doesnt have more value than the people taken ahead of him...then I can't see this deal getting done anytime soon.

Saying that the Browns have all the leverage here is blatently false. If Quinn doesn't sign, he likely goes back into the draft, and gets picked in the 2nd round next year as a flier. He loses a little money over what he would have gotten by giving in. Meanwhile the Browns totally lose a second round pick in 2007 and a first rounder in 2008, and their entire coaching staff and front office gets whacked!

I'd say Quinn's got the leverage, although its clearly in both parties best interest (as always) to compromise.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The Cleveland Browns, perennial losers (and likely this next year also) traded a first round pick to move up and get Brady Quinn.

That did not happen in Campbell's case, nor in Rodgers. Thats the difference here.

I'm pretty sure the Redskins traded a first round pick (among other things) to move up and draft Campbell

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm pretty sure the Redskins traded a first round pick (among other things) to move up and draft Campbell

Yeah, totally slipped my mind.

Even still, the price on Quinn was still significantly higher than the price on JC, trading up from the 2nd round as opposed to swapping a pick from one year to the next. And I also think that the fact that the Browns traded up specifically to get Quinn whereas the Skins wanted to target a QB at 25 (and made the trade 3 weeks prior to the draft) definately seperates the value even further.

Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.

It's simple. It doesn't matter whether someone moved up to get you or not. Look at history. Campbell didn't get a better deal than Rodgers because Rodgers got picked one spot before him.

[SantanaMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, totally slipped my mind.

Even still, the price on Quinn was still significantly higher than the price on JC, trading up from the 2nd round as opposed to swapping a pick from one year to the next. And I also think that the fact that the Browns traded up specifically to get Quinn whereas the Skins wanted to target a QB at 25 (and made the trade 3 weeks prior to the draft) definately seperates the value even further.

Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.

The Skins didn't just swap a pick from one year to the next, we gave up that years 3rd and the following years 1st and 4th.

[SmootSmack]

I think the main issue, as I understand it, is what kind of money Quinn would be getting two or three years down the road when he is (most likely) the starter.

But you'd think they'd just deal with that when the time comes

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the main issue, as I understand it, is what kind of money Quinn would be getting two or three years down the road when he is (most likely) the starter.

But you'd think they'd just deal with that when the time comes

But isn't that what the impasse is all about. It would be a mutiny if Quinn signs a deal today that is less than market value and gets into camp, only to bitch about his deal in 2009. That's why the rookie deal is so important. He not only has to get a fair amount of bonus money, but he has to be well compensated for the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons.

All the players in the draft are trying to accomplish this also, but not every player got a team to mortage a future draft for them. Not since...Rocky McIntosh has this last happened.

[mooby]

Honestly I wish all rookie contracts earned low pay but had a lot of potential escalators and performance bonuses in them. That way if they light things up and reached a certain level they would trigger those bonuses, and if they sat on the bench for a couple seasons or so they would get paid accordingly. These contracts are only going to start getting richer and richer because the veterans aren't going to like the rookies getting more money than them.

[skinsfan69]

The Browns hold all the cards here. NFL Network reported that Quinn did not look very good in the OTA's and minincamps. They said that Derek Anderson was the best QB out of the three. So chances are Quinn isn't even going to start, even if he gets to camp on time.

Since he was picked so late in the 1st round he has no leverage. Get your ass in camp or shut up.

[pdid5000]

he probably will be the next tim couch, so he needs all the guaranteed money he can get.

[skinsfan_nn]

It's pretty simple, the kid was a #22 drafted QB overall in the 1st round. That's it. He should be paid accordingly to that pick and length of contract, no more or less.

If he think's in his own mind he should have gone top 10 and recieve that type cash, well then reality set's in, he didn't.

If he doesn't like the deal and where he was picked in the draft TUFF SHIT, he's gonna end up ridding the pine. The best thing the kid can do for himself is sign a fair deal for his #22 late round draft spot and get to work.

[wilsowilso]

Gotta go with the majority opinion on this page at least. Brady Quinn better get as much money as he can right now. Can anyone say "Jake Plummer Light" as in that would be his upside if he could develop into a watered down version of Plummer. The downside is playing out before our eyes. He is going to get burried on the depth chart and instead of working on his game and going to the film room he will be spending most of his time counting his loot Rod Strickland style.