Are We Being Too Hard on Brandon Lloyd?

[SmootSmack]

From what I've heard, what has frustrated the coaches most is that he has little to no grasp of the playbook. Apparently, and I don't know how you can tell unless you know the playbook nor how much it really matters if he indeed is getting open, he improvises a lot of his routes because he doesn't know which are the right routes to run.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I've heard, what has frustrated the coaches most is that he has little to no grasp of the playbook. Apparently, and I don't know how you can tell unless you know the playbook nor how much it really matters if he indeed is getting open, he improvises a lot of his routes because he doesn't know which are the right routes to run.

That's disappointing. The Redskins system is as easy as it could be. There are options within the numbering system which require being on the same page with the QB but he's had more than enough time to figure that out. I have noticed that when I run "LLoyd Option" on Madden it seldom works out very well. I wish Madden Lloyd were smarter than real Lloyd.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I've heard, what has frustrated the coaches most is that he has little to no grasp of the playbook. Apparently, and I don't know how you can tell unless you know the playbook nor how much it really matters if he indeed is getting open, he improvises a lot of his routes because he doesn't know which are the right routes to run.

That would make a whole LOT of sense considering it wasn't for lack of catching the ball last year. I just remember him not getting a lot of looks and that would make a lot of sense.

[BleedBurgundy]

Yeah, TMC, for the sake of arguement I'm willing to give a pass on last year. That said, if you look at last Sunday... where was our ocho cinco? I'm not going to pull the stats but I remember ONE catch for 5 yards. Like Matty said, that int was every bit as much BL's fault as Campbell's. The money doesn't even bother me in this scenario. I'm more pissed that we may have missed out on opportunities to look at other wr's because we targeted him.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Too hard? Perhaps. I think the jury is still out on this guy.

It is still too early to determine what sort of impact he will have on our offense THIS year. You could compare his contributions to Cooley's so far this year and I don't think that is a fair assessment. We all know Cooley will contribute. I say give him a few more weeks and see what happens, then we'll be able to tell if we're being "Too Hard" on Brandon Lloyd.

[firstdown]

OK do we have film of that play?

[wilsowilso]

We don't get a chance to see the behind the scenes stuff. I would venture to guess it's not like Lloyd came back this year and offered to play special teams and do whatever it takes to rebuild his image into a team player. He doesn't produce period. If he was not a cap killer they obviously would cut him.... any team would. If his strength is stretching a defense why are his two signature deep plays dropping a bomb from Campbell on his first NFL pass and a half assed effort against Miami. Heart of glass player it would seem. Very sad because we needed another deep threat to really throw teams off balance.

[redsk1]

I think alot of people look at the final #'s and put the blame on Lloyd. I'm not so sure that Jerry Rice would be able to put up #'s in our pass game right now. That's just the facts. JC is a young, developing QB that needs to keep on improving. I don't remember but Lloyd did fairly well in SF. San Francisco!!

Maybe there is something to this thing behind the scenes. If there is i'll be the first one to say bench him. But right now i have a hard time putting blame on him. If he's got issues, i'm more than happy to see JT in there as a 3.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I think alot of people look at the final #'s and put the blame on Lloyd. I'm not so sure that Jerry Rice would be able to put up #'s in our pass game right now. That's just the facts. JC is a young, developing QB that needs to keep on improving. I don't remember but Lloyd did fairly well in SF. San Francisco!!

Maybe there is something to this thing behind the scenes. If there is i'll be the first one to say bench him. But right now i have a hard time putting blame on him. If he's got issues, i'm more than happy to see JT in there as a 3.

I don't think anyone's putting the blame soley on Lloyd. I think people want him to do his part, that's all. ARE got here at the same time, and he's been producing.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't think anyone's putting the blame soley on Lloyd. I think people want him to do his part, that's all. ARE got here at the same time, and he's been producing.

Ok, I'll use your standard El last year Yards 351 Lloyd 365 so thats not a very good argument. I'm not saying Lloyd has earned a thing but there is enough blam to go around as all of our WR's number where down and Moss's number were half of 05 and look at all the balls he dropped Sunday.

[hooskins]

I think I am still a supporter of him, but I wish we threw his way more. We threw to him twice last game, and he kinda was in the doghouse last year. I still think there is something left in him, but I am kinda losing hope for the kid. See what I dont like about the coaching staff is they dont give the opportunity for the kid to even prove his worth. He only got two chances. You cant just give any WR just two chances to prove themselves.

[Paintrain]

I've been a Lloyd supporter but when it's come time to produce or shut up he has not produced. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but most WR would have made a stronger attempt at the ball that Campbell threw up there that was picked.. He didn't fight for the ball, play defense if he couldn't get it or anything.. Then he JOGGED after the DB who picked it off.. I'd be suprised if he's not on the inactive list for most of the games after the bye week. Moss, ARE, Caldwell, Thrash & Bodiford will be the gameday WR corps I'd bet..

[Longtimefan]

We're all still trying to figure out what's happening with Brandon Lloyd. The end-zone play on Sunday happened 35yds. from where we sit, we all thought he could have made a better effort to either catch the ball, knock it down, or if neccessary it would not have been a killer to have an offensive interference penalty in that situation. Further his effort to go after the interceptor left a lot to be desired.

We're concerned whether his heart and mind is actually on football, or on other outside interest he obviously has, namely his music.

[Daseal]

Sorry folks, the int isn't on Lloyd, he jumped and BARELY missed the ball. It was amazing play by the corner. Lloyd also sacrificed his body and bailed JC out on a ball that was horribly overthrown. You remember him stretching out and getting rocked on a poorly thrown ball, that doesn't show heart?

I stand by what Cooley said on EITM. Even on this site everyone was talking about how good of a character, etc he is until the day where he wore the hat that said FUCK in big letters on it. Cooley said there was nothing wrong in the locker room and felt that hat really rubbed Gibbs the wrong way and he got pissed. Directly after that he all of a sudden was some cancer.

If we want to judge Lloyd, how about we get some balls his way. I bet he could make some plays if he got more than one look a game. We have to get our passing game going with high percentage throws and catches. This will help Campbell, Moss, Lloyd, ARE, Cooley, everyone.

Another question, with the speed and athletic WRs we have, why do we never see a simple slant? It's so difficult to defend, and with the speed we have we could turn a 4 yard slant into a twenty yard gain.

[jsarno]

To answer the question. YES.

However, we are paying him a lot, and he is not there when we need him. I have stuck by Lloyd, and I hope he comes around for us, but I am discouraged with the fact he seems to get lost in the plays.