Why all the complaining?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.

Yeah he did ok, but at the same time how can you assume the D will play this amazing all year round? That is impossible. No defense consistently returns picks for TDs and creates turnovers.

The point is yeah we did ok, but we didn't play a good team and we barely sqeaked by. Next week will be terrible and I can't begin to imagine playing the Cowboys.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.

I think the majority of these fans underestimate the importance of having a healthy, good offensive line. I guess they think the guys up front are just big fat guys who can be easily replaced. If this is the line of thinking, then it cannot be farther from the truth.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters out on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.

100% agree. Remember our line is 4/5 new from last year and down 3/5 of the starters from opening day. It is destroying our offense.

Today:

-Cooley was kept in for pass protection far more than normal.
-Sellers and Co. were kept tighter for pass protection.
-We took no shots downfield because they coaches were afraid we couldn't pass block for any extended period of time. Gibbs said as much in his post game presser
-Our run blocking was average and with the lack of any downdfield attack they were able to devote their front 7 to run stopping almost singularly.

So we coulcnd't run because of bad not so great run blocking and the lack of any pass threat and we had no pass threat because we couldn't pass protect.

All in all our line is killing us and nothing will get better until we get healthy there.

Interesting note: Joe Jacoby said he thought Pucillo missed a lot of line adjustments whih to me is to be expected from the backup center who hasn;t played there in awhile.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

100% agree. Remember our line is 4/5 new from last year and down 3/5 of the starters from opening day. It is destroying our offense.

Today:

-Cooley was kept in for pass protection far more than normal.
-Sellers and Co. were kept tighter for pass protection.
-We took no shots downfield because they coaches were afraid we couldn't pass block for any extended period of time. Gibbs said as much in his post game presser
-Our run blocking was average and with the lack of any downdfield attack they were able to devote their front 7 to run stopping almost singularly.

So we coulcnd't run because of bad not so great run blocking and the lack of any pass threat and we had no pass threat because we couldn't pass protect.

All in all our line is killing us and nothing will get better until we get healthy there.

Interesting note: Joe Jacoby said he thought Pucillo missed a lot of line adjustments whih to me is to be expected from the backup center who hasn;t played there in awhile.

Having Rabach out is huge, not only is a superior blocker than Puccillo but he's great at making all the line calls.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

100% agree. Remember our line is 4/5 new from last year and down 3/5 of the starters from opening day. It is destroying our offense.

Today:

-Cooley was kept in for pass protection far more than normal.
-Sellers and Co. were kept tighter for pass protection.
-We took no shots downfield because they coaches were afraid we couldn't pass block for any extended period of time. Gibbs said as much in his post game presser
-Our run blocking was average and with the lack of any downdfield attack they were able to devote their front 7 to run stopping almost singularly.

So we coulcnd't run because of bad not so great run blocking and the lack of any pass threat and we had no pass threat because we couldn't pass protect.

All in all our line is killing us and nothing will get better until we get healthy there.

Interesting note: Joe Jacoby said he thought Pucillo missed a lot of line adjustments whih to me is to be expected from the backup center who hasn;t played there in awhile.

Very well put, and it all boils down to us being one dimensional on offense, or perhaps "none dimensional."

As long as the o-line is this banged up and patched together opposing teams, especially teams like New England, are just going to hone in on the fact that this offense is inept without an offensive line (just as any team would be.) If you can't trust your line to pass protect for more than a second or two then all of your pass plays are going to be short. Add to that having to keep the backs and Cooley in to block just to manage what little pass protection can be scrounged up and you lose even more weapons.

Basically everyone but the WRs are in blocking all so we can manage a 10 yard pass at best. Add to that WRs who apparently can't catch anymore and you've got about the easiest pass attack in the NFL to defend against. Even our own coaches are admitting what the gameplan is.

Nobody will respect our run game either. Portis appears either unhealthy or in a funk, Betts isn't terribly useful and the run blocking is about as good as the pass blocking.

It's basically a heyday for opposing defenses - just T-off and do whatever the hell they feel like.

I think this defense is good enough to ride to maybe .500 or a little better and possibly a Wild Card spot even with the offense as bad as it is now. But even this defense won't be able to shut down the likes of New England, Dallas, Indy or a few others. Holding those teams to 28 points would be considered an accomplishment, and right now our offense can't put up 29 to win it. At some point the offense has to contribute, and right now they just can't.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by mheisig

....At some point the offense has to contribute, and right now they just can't.

Exactly. They are not being held back by bad play calling or lacking execution because of intensity. They simply have a low skill level and are doing what should b expected of them. It can get better if we can get Rabach, Kendall and Wade healthy. A healthy line of Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Fabini and Wade is good to ok from left to right and good enough to open our play book back up.

On top of everything most of starting line didn't even practice this week.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters out on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.

yeah I've been a little disappointed with the offensive showing, but considering the circumstances we looked allright... the cards do have a pretty good d line and they were spying campbell with the lolb, so that limited the effectiveness of rolling him out of the pocket to the right, and pushing him left makes it difficult for him to throw across his body...

I do wish we could run the ball more effectively, though. I really hope injuries don't completely ruin our season, though...

[MTK]

They saying goes that it all starts up front, and I think that couldn't be any further from the truth.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

They saying goes that it all starts up front, and I think that couldn't be any further from the truth.

Eh? You're saying the line doesn't matter??

[skinsfan69]

I just thought the playcalling was terrible today. It looked like the 04/06 offense. No creativity, too many short passes and too many screens. Why are we not trying to get Santana more involved??????? When we do get him involved it's that stupid smoke screen pass.

With all then being said I'm happy as hell we are 4-2. I'll take it.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just thought the playcalling was terrible today. It looked like the 04/06 offense. No creativity, too many short passes and too many screens. Why are we not trying to get Santana more involved??????? When we do get him involved it's that stupid smoke screen pass.

With all then being said I'm happy as hell we are 4-2. I'll take it.

im agreeing here, i was shaking my head in disbelief at how god awful the playcalling was. we did the typical third and long throw it to the slowest guy (sellers) who gets stopped 5 yards short of the first down marker, well no shit!

[rypper11]

My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by rypper11

My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

I get sooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining in general. It's even more ignorant when we actually win the game and have a winning record of 4-2. But, that's just me.

[GMScud]

I don't know how to look up this stat, but has a team ever started 4-2 without a TD reception by a WR? We HAVE to get better at getting the ball downfield. It's really bad in that regard.

I know we have to keep Cooley in to block b/c of the line injuries, but how then did he end with 9 catches against GB? Why can't we get ANYTHING down the middle of the field? The running lanes aren't opening for us with the line in the shape that it's in. We need to get the passing game more involved. With 4 outta the next 5 on the road, we need more scoring.