Time for the Jets

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

With 80% of the offensive line out or playing hurt, I actually think this team is zero dimensional, but I also respect the way the coaches were trying to attack the Patriots. They were trying to keep the Pats offense off the field with sustained drives. Going for quick strikes against that team is just stupid. Their offensive execution is far better than Washington's and they basically score whenever they feel like it.

The gameplan itself isn't the problem, it's the execution, and the execution is being effected by a ridiculous number of injuries. How the hell can the finger be pointed at Al Saunders or even Coach Gibbs for that matter, when the entire offense outside of Cooley, Samuels, and Campbell have missed time, or been playing banged up?

Yes, and that gameplan killed the morale of the team and fans cause it resulted in ZERO actual points. What is Campbell supposed to think when we score 7 points in garbage time. ZERO success on offense due to the conservatism. Nothing for JC to build on. Yes, the execution sucks, but that is because the patriots knew what we were gonna call on each separate down.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

With 80% of the offensive line out or playing hurt, I actually think this team is zero dimensional, but I also respect the way the coaches were trying to attack the Patriots. They were trying to keep the Pats offense off the field with sustained drives. Going for quick strikes against that team is just stupid. Their offensive execution is far better than Washington's and they basically score whenever they feel like it.

The gameplan itself isn't the problem, it's the execution, and the execution is being effected by a ridiculous number of injuries. How the hell can the finger be pointed at Al Saunders or even Coach Gibbs for that matter, when the entire offense outside of Cooley, Samuels, and Campbell have missed time, or been playing banged up?

I think it's probably because of what Gibbs and Saunders have done with virtual nobodies. Gibbs led a team of scabs led by a prison inmate at QB to a 3-0 record. Saunders had the best offenses in the NFL with Marc Boeritger and Eddie Kennison as his top two wide receivers.

I don't agree with the sentiment that all the blame should be laid at the feet of Saunders and Gibbs. But I imagine this is what upsets some people. And there are others who just like to be upset.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Let's see

All the turnovers by Campbell were on third and longs. and yes. i watched us throw maybe one pass beyond the line of scrimmage to a receiver all game....and it was to TRASH

C'mon at least have some respect. I don't care who it is, it's not cool to disrespect the guy's name. Thrash has always been a guy known for busting his tail.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

C'mon at least have some respect. I don't care who it is, it's not cool to disrespect the guy's name. Thrash has always been a guy known for busting his tail.

Yes randy moss is lazy, lloyd is lazy, thrash fights his guts out. But you cannot ignore talent and playmaking ability. Lloyd should be in on third down passing situations to offer a threat. Thrash is a special teamer and decent blocker.

Sorry for trashing his name. I got heated on the play when we tried to go deep to him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Yes randy moss is lazy, lloyd is lazy, thrash fights his guts out. But you cannot ignore talent and playmaking ability. Lloyd should be in on third down passing situations to offer a threat. Thrash is a special teamer and decent blocker.

Sorry for trashing his name. I got heated on the play when we tried to go deep to him.

Don't confuse Brandon Lloyd for a threat. Receiving threats have to catch the ball.

[GTripp0012]

As far as the playcalling, you can't hide behind it as the reason for our offensive failures. BUT we don't throw often enough on first down, and we tried two more of these asinine "timing" plays on third down, and completed neither.

Regardless of the fact that I don't believe that he's to blame for losing, I am losing respect for Saunders quickly. These plays are stupid and really put our guys in tough situations.

[The Zimmermans]

He caught the ball in San Fran

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

He caught the ball in San Fran

No he didn't.

Catch %'s for Lloyd:

2005-44%
2004-48%
2003-47%

Randle El's this year: 70%

Lloyd's last year: 41%

He's always been bad.

[JWsleep]

Our offense is "out of synch" as they say. Timing plays are good things--see Wes Walker and the Pats 3step drop for example. We are not executing anywhere right now. The deep ball either gets a sack or JC misses folks (at least this week--though it's tough to measure things on that game). The run game is nonexistent--absolutely crucial for what we do, and it's not just Gibbs-football. Saunders had LJ and Priest Holmes--it wasn't all just bombs away, which people always forget. And there have been drops, misreads, and overthrows to boot.

Still, I'm (call me crazy) optimistic: against the Jets, you'll see lots of good things on O. And people will say: hey, they finally opened the playbook! We're going to the superbowl! And it won't be true: we'll just be better able to execute against the Jets than against the Pats. And then we'll get some rhythm and confidence, our playcalling will actually fool people having to shut down something else, and we'll get it on.

[SmootSmack]

I was ambivalent about going after him this past summer, but I think we need to start getting the ball to Keenan McCardell more. He's shown he can still get open and get open deep.

And hopefully not only will we try to rattle Clemens, but also their rookie CB Darelle Revis.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was ambivalent about going after him this past summer, but I think we need to start getting the ball to Keenan McCardell more. He's shown he can still get open and get open deep.

And hopefully not only will we try to rattle Clemens, but also their rookie CB Darelle Revis.

I think McCardell can still get it done.

McCardell needs to see the field. Maybe not in place of Moss, but the thrid receiver at very least.

[The Zimmermans]

deep passes to lloyd - a lot
deep passes to randle el - none

Lloyd was catching the ball downfield

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

deep passes to lloyd - a lot
deep passes to randle el - none

Lloyd was catching the ball downfield

No. No he wasn't.

Lloyd is terrible.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No. No he wasn't.

Lloyd is terrible.

well we are paying him a lot of money....so we better find a way to work him in. Or McCardell. Both of them should be able to go up and get the ball if jason puts some air under it. Stop hating on him if we never even throw to him.

WE will agree to disagree

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

well we are paying him a lot of money....so we better find a way to work him in. Or McCardell. Both of them should be able to go up and get the ball if jason puts some air under it. Stop hating on him if we never even throw to him.

WE will agree to disagree

Actually, I can agree with this to an extent.

We do need to keep him on the roster, and though I believe we would be better off if he was one of our inactives, as long as he's outplaying Caldwell, we can't just not use him ever.

He's just not a very good player. He's capable of basic receiver function, but that's about it. We are paying 5 mil a year to him for spectacular catches, and that's just stupid on our part.