Does Brandon Lloyd REALLY deserve all this hate?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Daseal, I'm a bit surprised you're that supportive of Loyd, as I know from reading your posts that you're well informed.

I can only suggest that you look up JLC's Skins insider & read a post he did on Loyd a few weeks ago. I trust his reporting, of course that's up to you.
He said that Loyd was "dropping f bombs" on wr coach Stan Hixon in his first OTAs, was rude to staff at Redskin Park & basically didn't do anything to show coaches he wants to play.

Add to that his tantrums in games last year, his poor history w/teamates in SF and this recent stuff. I just don't see any way to defend him.

Might make a list of worst trades ever some day.

I've heard elsewhere all the same stuff that JLC said...and then some. Lloyd is a strange dude it seems. Sure seems to have the talent but lacks discipline and maturity

[irish]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've heard elsewhere all the same stuff that JLC said...and then some. Lloyd is a strange dude it seems. Sure seems to have the talent but lacks discipline and maturity

If the Skins knew this stuff about BL (and I'm sure they did) why did they ever sign him in the first place?!

[Daseal]

JoeRedskin: I bet if you look at targeted, Yoder has more than Lloyd. Golston has been a beast since his rookie year and getting a lot of play time.

Freddy, I've read the article by JLC. Does Lloyd have problems, most definitely. However, when it comes to game day it seems like he's there, upbeat, and helpful. I have seen lloyd put in some very solid blocks, etc.

Could Lloyd be a total bust, absolutely. I just don't feel he's had a chance to be used like he should be here in DC. I have a feeling he'll be another player that leaves DC and kinda explodes into at least a solid player on a team, if not a very good #2. He has his down side, definitely. His personal stuff is a problem.

I don't want to say I'm completely going to bat for this guy, because I don't know him behind the scenes. Everything coming out of DC media wise seems horribly skewed to me. Especially with Gibbs in office, the double talk is at an alltime high (this isn't a Gibbs bash, it's the truth. He says a lot and nothing at the same time. So does his team.) I just feel that we should give him a chance, it's frustrating never getting a look in the offense, does he blow up sometimes, probably, but I bet the guy just wants to win.

[#56fanatic]

at this point with the way our offense stinks, why not give him some plays. We really need to line up with more 3 wr sets. Dont let the stats from the Jets game mislead you. The Jets are horrible defensively. Against good teams coming up, I think we need to spread them out and run from those sets. 3WR sets with Moss, El, and Lloyd. I still think the kid can play. If we get him in the game and let him get some reps I think he could end up a productive guy. I am in no means giving the guy a free pass. He does seem like a head case. But look at what a happy WR can get you. The other Moss (Randy) , TO both are happy and both are producing. I am in no way comparing Lloyd to either of those guys, but if you have a happy player, then they produce better. that is just todays NFL with the Divas out there. and Lloyd has the attitude of a Diva, just not the stats to back it up. I think for a WR to be productive he has to have the chances to catch the ball. they have to develop a rhythm and he has not been given the plays to get to that point. Our offense stinks with out him, it couldn't be much worse with him??

we can alway wait until the other Moss is a FA next year?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Ahhhh, and now we get to the meat of the thing. He doesn't even deserve the amount of thought we are giving him.

Definitely agree.

Please stop with this madness.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I just feel that we should give him a chance, it's frustrating never getting a look in the offense, does he blow up sometimes, probably, but I bet the guy just wants to win.

I guess I think he had ample opportunities last year but that, as I said before, he hasn't earned the trust of the guys throwing him the ball. It seems pretty well documented that he gives up on routes he doesn't like. If that's the case, what QB is going to be able to count on him. If the QB doesn't look for you b/c he can't trust you, then you could be standing alone in the endzone and you just won't be seen.

Lloyd has to earn both the coaches and the QB's trust to get an opportunity, he clearly hasn't done that.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by irish

If the Skins knew this stuff about BL (and I'm sure they did) why did they ever sign him in the first place?!

Because, like every coach in the league, Gibbs saw a talented guy and thought he could reach him. He's made great strides with the disturbed in the past (Manley, Riggins, et al.) so it wasn't out of line to think he could do good things here. It hasn't happened.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

Because, like every coach in the league, Gibbs saw a talented guy and thought he could reach him. He's made great strides with the disturbed in the past (Manley, Riggins, et al.) so it wasn't out of line to think he could do good things here. It hasn't happened.

Yup, this happens all the time.

Why do troubled players get 2nd and 3rd chances in this league? It's because they are talented guys and every coach thinks they are the ones that can turn a guy around.

It's not the first time we've seen this and certainly not the last.

[irish]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

Because, like every coach in the league, Gibbs saw a talented guy and thought he could reach him. He's made great strides with the disturbed in the past (Manley, Riggins, et al.) so it wasn't out of line to think he could do good things here. It hasn't happened.

I remember what Gibbs did with those guys but as much as I hate to say it, that is ancient history. Gibs was a lot younger and closer to their age. I gotta believe BL would listen to Gibbs when it comes to football because Gibbs is his coach but when it comes to life BL sees Gibbs as an out of touch old man.

I think with all the free agents out there it was very foolish for a team that has barely sniffed the playoffs in 15 years to take a chance like this and give away 2 draft picks for the opportunity to take this chance. Hopefully someday the Skins will look around and see what successful franchises do to be successful.

[Stacks42]

Didnt both Lloyd and El have similar numbers last year? We all thought they were both busts. Well El has been given a chance this year, he has done some great things. Lloyd half assed in the opening game and he is no longer a the viable WR we paid him to be? Put the guy out there, the skins already payed him, even as a decoy, if they leave him wide open.. throw it to him. Christ! Thrash cant get open and when he is, he drops it! But damn Thrash does "fight his guts out" when dropping passes.

[skinsnut]

The real issue is that Lloyd is "hated" because he represents why the Skins haven't done anything of substance since Danny has been around.
He is a "bust" and that pisses us off.

Most skins fans have problems with how we carry so much dead cap money and how we waste so many draft picks.....hell....Lloyd isn't alone...he's just the only bust currently on the team. There always seems to be one...Last year the hate was very spread out with Arch, ARE, Duckett and Andre Carter taking heat.

If we hadn't given away big bucks and draft picks for him, we wouldn't be so pissed.
So, though people make some pretty nasty comments about him personally....it aint really personal....its about frustration with the front office.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

The real issue is that Lloyd is "hated" because he represents why the Skins haven't done anything of substance since Danny has been around.
He is a "bust" and that pisses us off.

Most skins fans have problems with how we carry so much dead cap money and how we waste so many draft picks.....hell....Lloyd isn't alone...he's just the only bust currently on the team. There always seems to be one...Last year the hate was very spread out with Arch, ARE, Duckett and Andre Carter taking heat.

If we hadn't given away big bucks and draft picks for him, we wouldn't be so pissed.
So, though people make some pretty nasty comments about him personally....it aint really personal....its about frustration with the front office.

While you're right, if it were the case that his deal didn't lock him into being here, he would be cut by now. So yes, it is frustration w/the front office, but also w/Loyd, who has had more than enough chances to prove his worth.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Daseal

JoeRedskin: I bet if you look at targeted, Yoder has more than Lloyd. Golston has been a beast since his rookie year and getting a lot of play time.

Freddy, I've read the article by JLC. Does Lloyd have problems, most definitely. However, when it comes to game day it seems like he's there, upbeat, and helpful. I have seen lloyd put in some very solid blocks, etc.

Could Lloyd be a total bust, absolutely. I just don't feel he's had a chance to be used like he should be here in DC. I have a feeling he'll be another player that leaves DC and kinda explodes into at least a solid player on a team, if not a very good #2. He has his down side, definitely. His personal stuff is a problem.

I don't want to say I'm completely going to bat for this guy, because I don't know him behind the scenes. Everything coming out of DC media wise seems horribly skewed to me. Especially with Gibbs in office, the double talk is at an alltime high (this isn't a Gibbs bash, it's the truth. He says a lot and nothing at the same time. So does his team.) I just feel that we should give him a chance, it's frustrating never getting a look in the offense, does he blow up sometimes, probably, but I bet the guy just wants to win.

Maybe he will go on somewhere else & play well. TO & Moss both have, but only after they burned bridges behind them. It totally sucks for a team like Philly that they took a chance on TO & he basically did everything he could to screw them & now plays against them twice a year and has suddenly found it possible to be a decent teamate. He's a decent teamate because he realizes how much he has to lose now.

Even if Loyd does this to us, I don't think many fans or players even will say, "damn, we should've kept him." Just like nobody in Philly was going to say, yeah, we should keep TO even though he publicly insults the qb & complains to the press every time he doesn't get his way.

We're all going on second & third hand sources here, but I don't see how so many people can speak the same things about the guy and not at least be partially correct. After all, we're not talking about someone whose job is that complex to evaluate. Loyd is not being criticized because he's a philosopher trying to convince us of an unpopular theory, he's a damn football player. Football players have and always will be evaluated in part on their attitude towards the team. His sucks.

[scowan]

Bottom line is that we are not a passing team, but we have a lot of quality WRs on our team. There are not enough balls to go around. I wish, Moss and Randle El and McCardell and Thrash were more productive.
But Campbell only completed 12 pass Sunday and most of those went to Cooley. How is the world can any of our receivers get going when they only get looked at 4 or 5 times a game. I know the Skins want to run the ball, but Campbell can't get in a groove if he only gets to pass the ball about 4 or 5 times a series. And That's assuming we get some 1st downs! Lloyd can't get in the game above McCardell who doesn't get any looks as it is on gameday!

[djdunick]

Yes Lloyd deserves every bit of hate. He has received an enormous amount of money and has done nothing to earn it.

The Skins front office also deserves a lot of hate for this one. Both Gibbs and Cerrato. Gibbs for thinking he could change this guy and Cerrato for once again going back to his old stomping grounds of the 49'ers. I think Cerrato still believes it's 1989 and the 49'ers are defending SB champs and they have great players. We keep getting burned with 49er problems like Lloyd and who can forget Stubblefield (Stubbletoe) another bust from SF.

We need a GM and that's the bottom line.