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[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Speculative?

I thought you said: Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round

Thats what I said and obvoiusly the % proves me correct.

The draft is speculative. The player is being selected based on his past performance and future potential (kind of like stocks). There is no sure thing but the 1st round pick is as close to a sure thing as you can get.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Thats what I said and obvoiusly the % proves me correct.

The draft is speculative. The player is being selected based on his past performance and future potential (kind of like stocks). There is no sure thing but the 1st round pick is as close to a sure thing as you can get.

??

You're flip-flopping all over the place. Once you get your take straightened out let me know.

[rk3025]

Guess vve should replace the GM's in the league vvith college fans if you think drafting is easy?
Nobody vvanted Tony Romo

Originally Posted by irish

Thats what I said and obvoiusly the % proves me correct.

The draft is speculative. The player is being selected based on his past performance and future potential (kind of like stocks). There is no sure thing but the 1st round pick is as close to a sure thing as you can get.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Skinsfan242:

Did you accidentally leave off Gibbs acquisition of Mark Brunell - at the cost of a draft pick and a large salary - from your compendium of his errors? Or do you think that was one of his good personnel moves?

Will the Skins be better off when Gibbs leaves than they were when he arrives? Not if they keep the rest of this bloated and over-rated coaching staff around when he's gone...

[Skinsfan1967]

Before coach returned the only player we got excited over, argueably, was Arrington. We now have young and talented players with Cooley, Campbell, Taylor, Rocky, Landry, Portis...the list goes on. To say that Coach Gibbs has not improved the team would be incorrect. We have a core of good players instead of just one or two.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Skinsfan1967

Before coach returned the only player we got excited over, argueably, was Arrington. We now have young and talented players with Cooley, Campbell, Taylor, Rocky, Landry, Portis...the list goes on. To say that Coach Gibbs has not improved the team would be incorrect. We have a core of good players instead of just one or two.

lets look at it this way. the patriots, (in the playoffs EVERYYEAR, superbowls after superbowls) have aproximately 49 of the 53 players on that roster from the DRAFT. We beat this in the ground every year. Everyone wants to look at the players we have, and yes they are good young talent no question. But, if they have the picks there are suppose to have we may not be dealing with cap issues every year, depth problems every year, play 10Million out to people that dont see the field, or get traded for late round picks. two picks for Rocky, Two picks for Cooley, Picks for Portis, Thrash?? Duckett two picks, are you serious. Teams that build through the draft are better consistant teams. (the majority of them)

I think we will all be beating this around for years to come. the front office has a philosophy and its not going to change.

[SmootSmack]

think we'll only beat it around because people are afraid to look forward without constantly condeming past mistakes. We've made good moves and bad moves. Just like almost every other team in the NFL. In any sport for that matter.

The future will hold more of the same, even with a different philosophy; which I think you will see us exhibit with more consistency.

[skinsfan242]

Who is Czaban? Another guy with an opinion, that's it. In my opinion we are better off then before.
All you guys who sit here and bad mouth everything are the first guys to praise everything when we win. You are also probably the same guys who leave when we are down by 8 with the ball at the stadium.

I don't think any one of you actually remembers what the team was like when Spurrier was here. It is not easy to turn that mess into something positive.
Sometimes you pay more, but you wouldn't trade an extra pick for Cooley? Please!
You don't think getting Springs wasn't part of the Plan of dumping Bailey (Who WASN'T going to sign)?
You think trading up to get Campbell wasn't worth the extra picks? When you see a potential franchise QB you do what it takes to get him.

Now nobody think trading extra picks is the best way to go but to say we are not better off now then before is insane.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

Now nobody think trading extra picks is the best way to go but to say we are not better off now then before is insane.

Well see, you have your opinion and others have theirs. I agree with you personally that we are better off but I don't think to disagree with that is "insane"

[BrunellMVP?]

good points- though i don't think you can forget the draft picks that we gave away, and I also think its important to note that we wouldn't have needed fletcher is we resigned pierce.

[BleedBurgundy]

I think that teams get real nervous and overthink a first round pick. That's how you get players that have had solid college careers not getting picked before some guy you've never heard of that runs a 4.3 40 and reps 225 80 times.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I think that teams get real nervous and overthink a first round pick. That's how you get players that have had solid college careers not getting picked before some guy you've never heard of that runs a 4.3 40 and reps 225 80 times.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Landing a quality first or second round pick isn't rocket science. You just have to evaluate properly.

Landing a quality 5th or 6th round draft pick IS rocket science, and some would argue that it's flat out luck. I'm not sure which one it is, but the point is you can't f up on the early picks. The Redskins do not.

Obviously Carlos Rogers is never going to be an elite player, but he can be a solid CB for us in the future. Gregg Williams decided that Antrel Rolle and Pacman had too many red flags around that, and had CR as the number one rated CB on our board.

Arizona had Antrel Rolle No. 1 at CB on their board, but Arizona had a propensity to do that. For a long time, leading all the way up to this season.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I agree wholeheartedly.

Landing a quality first or second round pick isn't rocket science. You just have to evaluate properly.

But evaluating 1st rounders properly on a consistent basis is something that few, if any, teams can do. If the experts (i.e., the people who get paid millions to make picks) can't do it, it is rocket science IMO.

[BleedBurgundy]

Has Rolle been getting burned? I thought at the time that he would make a really solid #2 cb one day.

[Stacks42]

The skins need a GM point blank. The one constant that we have seen through years of different coaching (Norv, Schottenheimer, Spurrier, Gibbs) is bad personelle moves. We have flashes of great drafted players (i.e. Lavar, Cooley, Samuels) only to be followed by horrible moves that hurt us for years (Sanders, B. Smith, M. Brunell, B. Lloyd, A. Archuletta) with thrown dead cap money and thrown away draft pics.

If we look outside the bubble that is the Redskins, the rest of the NFL is laughing at the skins for the stupid personelle moves. We alway look good on paper, but once one of the 22 starters goes down, the season is over, because we have no depth.

And to answer the question, NO, I dont think we are better off with Gibbs' decisions. I think we are in the same boat that we have been in ever since Snyder took over, a bunch of Overhyped/overaged/overpaid players that are great on paper, but when it comes down to record are only average at best.