Why the hate towards Fassel?

[SC Skins Fan]

So, reading through the posts, the answer, Matty, is style over substance. "I just don't like the guy," "he reminds me of my high school teacher," "he reminds me of the Giants (uh, Spagnolo coached for the Giants and Eagles and I don't imagine we'd have the uproar), "he coached the Ravens and the Raven's weren't good on offense" (see note 1). I have not been a big fan of Fassel, but the love for Mooch vis a vis the Fassel hate is simply irrational and based simply upon perception. The real issue, I suspect, is a question of timing or a general lack of information on Mooch. If it goes down as JLC has speculated (and who knows at this point) and the fans generally embrace Mooch then it is only because Snyder is a smarter marketer than we are fans.

Note 1 - Fassel's career as an OC

1993 - Denver - #5 in NFL in total offense
1994 - Denver - #6 in NFL in total offense
1996 - Arizona - #13 in NFL in total offense
2004 - Baltimore - #31 in NFL (275 ypg) (one behind Gibbs led Redskins) who was QB?
2005 - Baltimore - #24 in NFL (293 ypg), who was the QB?
2006 - Baltimore fires Fassel (b/c Billick's job is on the line), gets a half-way decent QB in McNair ... offense skyrockets to ... wait for it ... #17 in NFL (317 ypg)
2007 - Baltimore - McNair hurt (and, admittedly, problems on o-line) Fassel-less offense #22 in NFL (303 ypg)

So if we are going to throw out Mooch's career in Detroit (15-28) then why not throw out Fassel's time in Baltimore? After all, when was the last time Baltimore had a good offense (a comparable statement to when was the last time Detroit won)? To hold the one against Fassel while absolving Mariucchi of the other seems hypocritical.

For the record, I would still prefer Schwartz (apparently not going to happen) or Meeks. And I do know that coaches with prior experience tend to be more successful, so perhaps my own desires are irrational as well.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

So, reading through the posts, the answer, Matty, is style over substance. "I just don't like the guy," "he reminds me of my high school teacher," "he reminds me of the Giants (uh, Spagnolo coached for the Giants and Eagles and I don't imagine we'd have the uproar), "he coached the Ravens and the Raven's weren't good on offense" (see note 1). I have not been a big fan of Fassel, but the love for Mooch vis a vis the Fassel hate is simply irrational and based simply upon perception. The real issue, I suspect, is a question of timing or a general lack of information on Mooch. If it goes down as JLC has speculated (and who knows at this point) and the fans generally embrace Mooch then it is only because Snyder is a smarter marketer than we are fans.

Note 1 - Fassel's career as an OC

1993 - Denver - #5 in NFL in total offense
1994 - Denver - #6 in NFL in total offense
1996 - Arizona - #13 in NFL in total offense
2004 - Baltimore - #31 in NFL (275 ypg) (one behind Gibbs led Redskins) who was QB?
2005 - Baltimore - #24 in NFL (293 ypg), who was the QB?
2006 - Baltimore fires Fassel (b/c Billick's job is on the line), gets a half-way decent QB in McNair ... offense skyrockets to ... wait for it ... #17 in NFL (317 ypg)
2007 - Baltimore - McNair hurt (and, admittedly, problems on o-line) Fassel-less offense #22 in NFL (303 ypg)

So if we are going to throw out Mooch's career in Detroit (15-28) then why not throw out Fassel's time in Baltimore? After all, when was the last time Baltimore had a good offense (a comparable statement to when was the last time Detroit won)? To hold the one against Fassel while absolving Mariucchi of the other seems hypocritical.

For the record, I would still prefer Schwartz (apparently not going to happen) or Meeks. And I do know that coaches with prior experience tend to be more successful, so perhaps my own desires are irrational as well.

good research. I think as skins fans we like surprises. Fassel is just a boring pick. We liked the Spurrier pick becasue it was flashy and the sky was the limit. We learned that lesson the hard way. Mabye Fassel is the same pick becasue we already have a team in place to win now, not in five years, so he wants an experienced coach to get a trophy, not turn a program around

[jamf]

I don't want fassel because:
He coached in the NFC East! No more NFC East coaches, I don't even want their assistants.

He built a solid team but he lost control of it and it tanked the year he got fired. except for the one SB year, his teams were known for blowing leads and losing to crappy teams. He lost in the first round of the playoffs 2 out of 3 times.

He couldn't handle the offensive coordinate job in Baltimore. Billick is one of his best friends and he still was fired midseason! After the firing, The ravens offense improved significantly. He proved to me that he cannot lead an offence, He was stuck in his old ways and Brian Billick had enough and fired him. Sounds too much like Mike Nolan if you ask me.


I'm not a big mariucci fan either. I think he inherited a good team in SF. Mariucci comes from a successful coaching tree. He's had consistent success and is a good motivator.
He was fired after a playoff season because of a power struggle with the Front office.
In detroit, Well it's detroit!

Most importantly, We have to have a smoot and mooch on the same team.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Here is why I'm frustrated with all this outcry against Fassel:

Do people act like he is a total "mentally challenged" human being (being PC here ) SERIOUSLY, what is he going to do that is SO much more horrible than ANY OTHER COACH IN THIS LEAGUE WOULD HAVE DONE?

GW might have gotten the shaft yes, but what about the fact he was Gibb's right hand man for a few years makes him any less accountable than another coach?

[GTripp0012]

One thing that makes me incredibly wary with coaches, especially since I believe they don't really change the win/loss outcome of games, is when they get fired from a team in which they've been doing a lot of winning.

Why did the 49ers fire Mooch? Why did the Giants fire Fassel? They both had winning records.

That's probably something Danny addresses in the interview process.

[skinsfan69]

I'm old school and I don't want Fassel cause he coached the NYG. No thanks. I'll take Mooch.

[T.O.Killa]

I have no idea, why I feel that Fossil was a bad coach, I just do. It has nothing to do with him coaching the Giants. For some reason, I like Mooch. I always did. Fossil, in reality was far more successfull than Mooch.

[celts32]

BTW Sportstalk 980 just confirmed that Mooch is indeed a candidate.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

BTW Sportstalk 980 just confirmed that Mooch is indeed a candidate.

Good news.

To me at least.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by celts32

BTW Sportstalk 980 just confirmed that Mooch is indeed a candidate.

Nice! I'm all for that. May the best man win.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by celts32

BTW Sportstalk 980 just confirmed that Mooch is indeed a candidate.

Out of curiousity is 980 a trustworthy source? Over the past few years it feels like people have posted tons of rumors from 980 that seem to be false more times then not.

At the same time I hope that this one is true. Mooch would be perfect for this team.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Out of curiousity is 980 a trustworthy source? Over the past few years it feels like people have posted tons of rumors from 980 that seem to be false more times then not.

At the same time I hope that this one is true. Mooch would be perfect for this team.

Could be BS...I was just letting everyone know what they said. 980 just said "sources" said he was a candidate so it's not like the team confirmed anything but they have not confirmed anything in this really.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

Could be BS...I was just letting everyone know what they said. 980 just said "sources" said he was a candidate so it's not like the team confirmed anything but they have not confirmed anything in this really.

Rule #1: Never trust SportsTalk 980 as your only source. The talent and producers there have alienated so many people inside Redskins Park over the past few years that they rarely, if ever, get the scoop on any news. If they say something, always double and triple cross check that it's being mentioned elsewhere.

Rule #2: Trust me . No but seriously, I know the Redskins did meet with Mooch. But I can't remember where I heard this, when it happened, and what came of it.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Rule #1: Never trust SportsTalk 980 as your only source. The talent and producers there have alienated so many people inside Redskins Park over the past few years that they rarely, if ever, get the scoop on any news. If they say something, always double and triple cross check that it's being mentioned elsewhere.

Rule #2: Trust me . No but seriously, I know the Redskins did meet with Mooch. But I can't remember where I heard this, when it happened, and what came of it.

Ill trust you because I firmly believe in my heart that when you said 'screw the mooch' you were thinking of the family guy episode 'screwed the pooch'. and great references like that are what make us 'knowledgeable fans'

[SKINSnCANES]

Just to play Devils advocate, why is it that none of the other teams that needed a coach or a cordinator interviewed them?

Mabye they did and I didnt hear about it. But from what ive read we are the only ones that want either guy. Does the rest of the league know somethign we dont?