Which Current NFL Receiver Is Best for Us?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

See the 2nd link I posted a few posts back. If that reporter is right (or if Millen is being honest publicly) then Detroit will at least ask for our #1 if not more.

Problem is, I think Millen is a bafoon. We could ask for a 1st round pick from Miami for Betts, doesn't mean we'll get it. Millen needs to save face with some of the dumb decisions he's made over the years, so I do think he'll come more discounted than Millen thinks, or he stays in Detroit. The link to a trade rumor of Reggie Brown and a 4th for Roy Williams...well that's cheap if you ask me.

I admit that packaging ARE & a pick, say 3rd round at highest, is intriguing, but I think ARE deserves to stay & maintain chemistry. He's gotten better here each year & the one thing he is is consistent. Plus, he & JC always seemed to have good chemistry.

Well, that is a bit misleading to say since he's only been here two year...so yeah, he got better in his second season. Randle El had more receptions and yards than last year, but he had fewer TD's (3 in 06, 1 in 07) and had a career low in punt return yards and average. We brought him in and paid him like we did to sure up our PR game, and he did fine in 06, but terrible in 07.

If that article holds true, I don't see RW in b&g. Sadly, Dallas w/its two #1 picks, might be able to put together a deal. They've probably got a # of players they could trade, and RW is from Texas.

I think you're right there...we definitely need to act before Dallas does. TO, and Roy Williams would be torture for us to cover 2 times a year.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I like Randle El...he's a good guy, has a positive personality, and is a decent WR. Problem is, decent wr's are not worth the money he's getting paid. He's extremely overpaid and I doubt we will ever see him do better than what he did last year. (career high 51 catches, 728 yards...btw- career low in PR avg at 6.1)

That being said, Roy Williams is without a doubt the best of the crew left in this poll. Roy Williams is 6'4" and I don't think I need to emphasize the importance of that. Plus he's only 26!!!! Having the injury issues that he had last year, he will likely come at a discounted rate. Sure he'll still be expensive, but not chad johnson expensive, and not the chad johnson head case either that I beleive to be a locker room cancer.
My ultimate scenario would be to get rid of the Randle El contract, pick up Williams, and let Mix have a shot at being our #3. I LOVE Santana, but he has shown that being a #1 is too much for him. To have him as a #2 is a perfect scenario.

I like the size and ability of Javon Walker, but not his injury issues either...but I would go for him 2nd. He's 6'3" 220lbs, and at that size, he'd be welcomed with open arms here. He has proven to be a big time WR, and the fact that he only played 8 games for Denver last year due to different ailments means his price will be low (as it was after he blew his knee out in GB back in 05).

I'm not a HUGE fan of Hackett, just a mild one. He has moderate size at 6'2", but his 199lbs is far from big. He has been in the league 3 years and has been injured for all of them, what's worse is that he played only 6 games last year. I do like the fact that he's a Zorn guy, and I would not be opposed to bringing him in at the right price, but as our #1 guy, or anyone's #1 guy for that matter, I am not sure he's capable.

Chad Johnson is a GREAT WR. No doubt about it, but (if we're not talking money) his biggest downfall is the fact that he loves himself and nothing else. He doesn't love football, he loves the money that football gives him. Chad is all about chad, and I don't want that presence in the Skins locker room. I can already see him getting upset at Campbell for not throwing the ball to him enough, or overthrowing him. Oh, and he's only 6'1" 192lbs...no thanks.

Bryant Johnson...well, he's hard to gauge. He has decent height at 6'2", and good weight at 214lbs. I have never seen him take over a game, or play at a high level. Maybe this is because he's always been behind better wr's. He's never had more than 7 catches in a game, and never had more than 87 yards in a game and he's played for 5 years (77 games). I feel he'd be another ho-hum wr for us and we have plenty of those, we need a game changer.

I like a lot of what you said here, but theres on thing i have a big disagreement with. most of your points relate to teh height and size of the receiver, which i agree we need a big guy, but you say no thanks to CJ cause its only 6'1' and 192. But Cinco Ocho is by far the most productive receiver in that list, he has issues (money, attitude) but Ive neve rheard anyone say they didnt want him cause hes too small. 6'1" is even pretty big for the skins...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I like a lot of what you said here, but theres on thing i have a big disagreement with. most of your points relate to teh height and size of the receiver, which i agree we need a big guy, but you say no thanks to CJ cause its only 6'1' and 192. But Cinco Ocho is by far the most productive receiver in that list, he has issues (money, attitude) but Ive neve rheard anyone say they didnt want him cause hes too small. 6'1" is even pretty big for the skins...

The no thanks comment was for all of it, not just his size.
That being said, I do not think we need another average size WR, we already have 2 below average wr's. We need a BIG guy, and Chad is not that guy. My #1 reason for not wanting him is his attitude. #2 money. #3 attitude. #4 size. (You could substitute #4 with attitude and slide size to #5...size is the least of my worries with him)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

I f we sign Roy Williams, we need to ask RAndle El to restructure or we will have to cut him. If we don't we would have 3 WR with contracts over $30mil total. That can't happen.

Maybe we can trade ARE to free up space for Roy Williams and get a draft pick in the process. I think we can at least get a 4th for him, especially with a premiuim on return men now.

ARE cannot be traded or released this off-season without incurring an $ 8.8M cap hit. Taking his salary off the books is only $ 2.7M, so we have a "dead-cap" number of $6.1M and we need to replace him. Not gonna happen.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

I've also seen several mentions of ARE not being worth his contract. If you look at the overall contract number, yes he is significantly underproducing. But if you look at the guaranteed money portion, it's not so bad. His cap number doesn't get bad until 2009 & beyond.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

ARE cannot be traded or released this off-season without incurring an $ 8.8M cap hit. Taking his salary off the books in only $ 2.7M, so we have a "dead-cap" number of $6.1M and we need to replace him. Not gonna happen.

WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.

All the cap info is in the drop-down under Team at the top of the site. Any guaranteed money needs to count against the cap for either a trade or release. Otherwise you could have teams playing major games in trades to circumvent the salary cap.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.

Releasing him would result in a cap hit as well.

[skinsnut]

I like Roy Williams because that would result on Moss going one on one all the time.
Hackett may be a good fit and we wouldn't have to give up a draft pick but he wouldn't cause any fear in defensive coordinators.

I say, Roy Williams and Chad Johnson are the only ones that make a heavy impact freeing up Moss....I prefer RW.

Hackett is probably the best match for our needs if we want to hold on to our draft picks....

Personally, if I were GM, I'd trade a #2 for Roy Williams and use our 1st rd on Dline and get a solid Guard in the 3rd round and look for corner/lb depth in the later rounds or through free agency.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I like Roy Williams because that would result on Moss going one on one all the time.
Hackett may be a good fit and we wouldn't have to give up a draft pick but he wouldn't cause any fear in defensive coordinators.

I say, Roy Williams and Chad Johnson are the only ones that make a heavy impact freeing up Moss....I prefer RW.

Hackett is probably the best match for our needs if we want to hold on to our draft picks....

Personally, if I were GM, I'd trade a #2 for Roy Williams and use our 1st rd on Dline and get a solid Guard in the 3rd round and look for corner/lb depth in the later rounds or through free agency.

hopefully they just cut him, I heard rumors about it. And its not a case where he hasnt performed, hes been their top guy, but they have like 239423 receivers

[bigm29]

i think bryant johnson kind of sucks

[skinsnut]

Can I change my vote?
I voted for Roy Williams but I understand he is from Texas and may like Dallas or something.

If true, No way I want to lose a draft pick for a cowboy hugger.

I want to go for Hackett now.
I wish I could change my vote

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I'm with Hackett too.

I'm just hoping that he doesn't run into the injury problems he's had.

[EXoffender]

I'd say a "Marques Colston type" but, in the past we haven't given late rounders a chance to play or develop.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EXoffender

I'd say a "Marques Colston type" but, in the past we haven't given late rounders a chance to play or develop.

Also the "Marques Colston-type" list goes as follows:

Marques Colston

It turns out that we can't draft him this year.